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0010346Dwarf FortressAdventure Mode -- Conversationpublic2017-11-24 05:302022-05-31 10:12
Goblin Cookie 
0010346: NPCs demanding other characters identify themselves in a loop
While trying out the new kobold site system I ran across an annoying bug. The non-historical characters in the site (I think) keep on asking for the identify of eachother, but no identities are ever given in return. That is probably because the characters are non-historical so they do not have an identity to give resulting in an eternal loop.
1. Load up an adventurer site.
2. Pay attention to the conversation screen.
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Issue History
2017-11-24 05:30Goblin CookieNew Issue
2017-11-24 06:24Urlance WoolsbaneNote Added: 0036959
2017-11-24 07:14LociAssigned To => Loci
2017-11-24 07:14LociStatusnew => acknowledged
2017-11-24 08:01Goblin CookieNote Added: 0036964
2017-11-24 15:38FantasticDorfNote Added: 0036967
2017-11-24 18:06FantasticDorfNote Edited: 0036967bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0036967#r14897
2017-11-25 16:17FantasticDorfNote Edited: 0036967bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0036967#r14910
2017-11-29 13:07RobsoieNote Added: 0037099
2018-01-11 02:17FantasticDorfNote Added: 0037581
2018-04-16 18:13HuntthetrollIssue Monitored: Huntthetroll
2018-12-30 06:39FantasticDorfNote Added: 0039060
2020-02-06 03:16bralbaardNote Added: 0039912
2022-05-30 14:50Goblin CookieNote Added: 0041254
2022-05-30 14:50Goblin CookieNote Edited: 0041254bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0041254#r16788
2022-05-31 09:18Goblin CookieNote Added: 0041255
2022-05-31 10:12Goblin CookieNote Added: 0041256

Urlance Woolsbane   
2017-11-24 06:24   
It gets worse: Unintelligent creatures also demand identities. Just visit a Dark Fortress and bask in the surreality of paranoid groups of beak dogs and trolls going at it with each other.
Goblin Cookie   
2017-11-24 08:01   
The lag from this bug is punishing.
2017-11-24 15:38   
(edited on: 2017-11-25 16:17)
Animals implementing site ethics about hostility was mentioned on my report 0010059 last year on ver 43.05, in regards mostly to combat where [KILL NEUTRAL:] 'acceptable' & 'required' creates lethal encounters by default for all creatures (wild & tame) and reflective for other sites with different ethics.

In which it seems like this is a further regression on top of that since animals can't identify each other despite demanding so as per site new 44.01 ethics, EI goblin site ethics changed now beakdogs try & fail to follow through.

To summarise, if a dwarf is unarmed and begins fighting even a reanimated undead wild animal (anecdotally i saw this happen to a undead jaguar) the dwarf will fight it & if they win the injured creature will continue traveling the map & leave without further trouble as per acting out a brawl since lethal fighting is initially disallowed due to [ONLY_IF_SANCTIONED] in dwarf ethics.

@Urlance Woolsbane you mean beak dogs literally talking like this? https://puu.sh/yttcj/b2af2d08f8.png [^] which was taken off a discussion in discord.

2017-11-29 13:07   
In a dark fortress leading my squad of 3 i am killing trolls that don't react to us (despite we're not stealth)
But i noticed those trolls are constantly asking each other to "identify yourself"

saved game :
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13246 [^]
2018-01-11 02:17   
Status of this bug needs updating, as it was included in the changelog for the new 0.44.04 DF version (link to forum announcement provided) for non-speaking creatures to demand identity (like beak dogs and trolls) when they shouldn't be able to.

(*) Stopped creatures from asking for identity when they shouldn't be able to speak

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=169077.0 [^]

Actual issue of constantly looping identity checks needs further confirmation into the new version to assert whether it was fixed alongside this change or is still outstanding.
2018-12-30 06:39   
New information has emerged about the state of 'identify yourself' queries courtesy of Rumrusher's observations on the forums

(This more or less applies to the same issue as 0010726 & 0010603 so the response below is copy pasted)

This needs linking to other related 'identify yourself' bugs, but pertaining specifically to 'known all your life', site NPC's don't actuallly know anything so they wouldn't actually be able to vouch you were even really who you said you were despite what the Q relationships say.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=51245.msg7903565#msg7903565 [^] [^]

Site NPC's are only knowledgable for the time they are loaded in on adventurer play, them not associating with non-historical populations is probably expected but they shouldn't require to ask implicit site beings or histfigs they truly know, since they don't have any prior histfig information on anybody else on site anyway, even if they claim they do.

RumRusher's non-post examples shared on discord explain details like only knowing of site figures to ask for function relevant to a quest, but having no histfig data to tell where they are other than they are a neighbour etc, until time has passed at they've actually met them, making a frustrating start.
2020-02-06 03:16   
This still occurs in 47.01
In the save game the adventurer is in a fortress that has fallen to demons in worldgen. He has assumed a false identity. Note that in the conversation history, goblins and demons are constantly questioning eachother for their identity. This fails and the demons end up massacring the goblin population.

http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14739 [^]

The save game has some minor modding (no new creatures or reactions or anything, but goblins can build roads, and I tried to stop dwarves from spamming the countryside with hillocks)
Goblin Cookie   
2022-05-30 14:50   
Still happening, but I think I found something. I think the people asking for identities are outcasts, since I had one night creature 'outcast' in my site and they were the only one who were asking for identity constantly.

Basically the way it is programmed is that those resident on the site ask those who do not belong to their group for identity. The AI reciever is then programmed to lie and create a new fake identity belonging to the asker's civ. However in this case, the outcast does not have a civ that anyone can pretend to belong to, so the dialogue gets stuck.

Goblin Cookie   
2022-05-31 09:18   
https://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=15952 [^]

I have uploaded the save file with the identify-loop-bug massacre.
Goblin Cookie   
2022-05-31 10:12   
I have tested to see if reloading the site prevents the issue from recurring, it seems it does, though now the whole site wants me dead which I shall now consider part of the story. Exiled orog in search of a new home in the zombie post-apocalypse.