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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
| 0002948 | Dwarf Fortress | Creatures | public | 2010-08-04 05:59 | 2012-04-17 13:05 |
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| Reporter | king doom | |
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| Priority | normal | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | always |
| Status | new | Resolution | open | |
| Platform | | OS | | OS Version | |
| Product Version | 0.31.12 | |
| Target Version | | Fixed in Version | | |
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| Summary | 0002948: Stone hauling/construction doesn't increase strength |
| Description | Stat gain and loss is still working very oddly, to say the least. This mostly affects animals you capture or are born in your fort, but it affects dwarves as well. Since animals can't actually do any work, they all end up extremely weak and extremely fat, and it seems to take less than a year to go from 'huge and muscular' to 'four legged sack of lard'.
The problem affects dwarves too, even if they are working, specifiacally, if they are hauling stuff around or building walls and suchlike. I've had several dwarves tagged as masons who do nothing but run around putting up walls, and they are all bloated sacks of fat who can't fight sleep. I've had several dwarves who do nothing but haul rock to my masons, and again, they are suddenly the perfect candiate for singing a few rounds of 'who ate all the pies?' at. I kinda figured that if you spent all day moving around slabs of rock that are roughly the same size as your torso, you might at least stay kinda trim, but apparently it doesn't work like that.
One other thing here, is that actually building walls, stairways and suchlike doesn't seem to impove the masons skill at all. |
| Steps To Reproduce | set dwarves to move rock only. Watch him/her pile on the pounds. Create a mason, have him build walls. Watch him quickly transform into a weeble. |
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| Tags | No tags attached. |
| Relationships | | related to | 0000803 | resolved | Toady One | Civilian jobs don't use attributes, so civilians all get weak over time | | related to | 0002323 | resolved | Loci | Mason skill not increased by building walls and other constructions | | related to | 0007839 | assigned | Footkerchief | Treading water raises Swimming to Legendary without commensurate attribute gain |
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| Issue History |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
| 2010-08-04 05:59 | king doom | New Issue | |
| 2010-08-04 07:10 | Footkerchief | Relationship added | related to 0000803 |
| 2010-08-04 07:12 | Footkerchief | Summary | Stat gain/loss still works very oddly. => Hauling/construction doesn't keep dwarves from getting fat and weak |
| 2010-08-04 07:14 | Footkerchief | Note Added: 0011482 | |
| 2010-08-04 07:14 | Footkerchief | Summary | Hauling/construction doesn't keep dwarves from getting fat and weak => Rock hauling/construction doesn't keep dwarves from getting fat and weak |
| 2010-08-04 07:14 | Footkerchief | Summary | Rock hauling/construction doesn't keep dwarves from getting fat and weak => Stone hauling/construction doesn't keep dwarves from getting fat and weak |
| 2010-08-04 07:42 | king doom | Note Added: 0011485 | |
| 2010-08-04 08:21 | Footkerchief | Note Added: 0011491 | |
| 2010-08-04 08:23 | Footkerchief | Relationship added | related to 0002323 |
| 2010-08-04 08:24 | Footkerchief | Note Edited: 0011491 | bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0011491#r4493 |
| 2010-08-04 08:25 | Footkerchief | Summary | Stone hauling/construction doesn't keep dwarves from getting fat and weak => Stone hauling/construction doesn't increase strength, bookkeeping doesn't increase mental atts |
| 2010-08-04 11:28 | king doom | Note Added: 0011495 | |
| 2010-08-04 11:34 | king doom | Note Edited: 0011485 | bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0011485#r4495 |
| 2010-08-04 12:03 | Footkerchief | Note Added: 0011500 | |
| 2010-08-04 12:58 | king doom | Note Added: 0011501 | |
| 2010-08-04 13:06 | Footkerchief | Summary | Stone hauling/construction doesn't increase strength, bookkeeping doesn't increase mental atts => Stone hauling/construction doesn't increase strength |
| 2011-06-05 08:05 | malvado | Note Added: 0017934 | |
| 2011-06-05 14:37 | kwieland | Note Added: 0017935 | |
| 2012-04-16 00:15 | Videospirit | Note Added: 0022283 | |
| 2012-04-17 13:05 | Hieronymous Alloy | Issue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy | |
| 2014-08-04 14:26 | Footkerchief | Relationship added | related to 0007839 |
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One other thing here, is that actually building walls, stairways and suchlike doesn't seem to impove the masons skill at all.
This is probably intentional. It was the same in 40d, at least.
Anyway, when Toady marked 0000803 as fixed, he must have missed a few jobs. Are there any gaps aside from hauling and construction? |
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king doom
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2010-08-04 07:42
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Noble jobs don't increase PHYSICAL stats, but that makes sense at least - bookkeepers/traders/managers spend a lot of time sitting down. I'm not sure about building traps, my single mechanic is average in size, but he does spend a fair bit of time in the workshop building mechanisms, and it seems like workshop time is what builds stats, so that might be keeping the weight down. Might be worth seting things so that I have a mechanic in the workshop only and one setting up stuff only, see what happens to them. For other jobs, I'm not sure. I tend to have them work in spurts, and honestly, the fat seems to turn up way too easily, since they all end up blob shaped anyway, after about a half a year of just hauling.
Has Toady ever commented on the masonry skill not going up by building a wall thing? seems like it should, I mean, it's not just a case of piling rock on top of each other, building a decent wall takes skill.
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2010-08-04 08:21
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I'm not sure if there are mental stats, but if there are, those aren't increasing when my guy goes from zero skill to legendary at bookkeeping.
There are many mental attributes: http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Attribute [^]
Has Toady ever commented on the masonry skill not going up by building a wall thing?
Not that I could find, but if it's a bug, we already have a report at 0002323, which I'll reopen now so that this discussion can continue there.
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http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Attribute [^]
Oh what the hell?
Just forget it. Forget the mental stuff. remove all trace of it from the bug report, I don't want to risk Toady altering it by adding another eighty categories. |
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Just forget it. Forget the mental stuff. remove all trace of it from the bug report, I don't want to risk Toady altering it by adding another eighty categories.
There's not much chance he'll add more anytime soon. Those were all added in Oct 2008 (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_2008.html#2008-10-19 [^]), and most of them are just future-proofing. |
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Carefully going through the link provided and carefully going through my dwarves, yeah, mental attributes seem to work fine, that was a user error on my part, I was assuming things were using similar stats to the old version. It's really just the entire hard work doesn't cause you to get fit thing now. |
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Stat gain is not working exactly as before , in many cases the stat decrease is higher than the stat increase in 31.25 and as such I personally didnt see any good increase untill I modified the initial files in a 2 year span.
It's easy to achieve legendary in most labours without having almost any increase at all with the current rates. |
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Malvado, I've noticed a similar thing. Several of my dwarves are legendary in skills but still pretty weak physically. I don't think that would happen in 40d |
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I know that record keeper pumped up my expedition leaders memory and analytical abilities through the roof, and my danger room has turbo charged kinestethic sense, spatial sense, and willpower on the dwarves left to get poked with sticks all year round, so mental stats are definately working as intended and I`ve seen noticeable improvement on all dwarves whom had hauling disabled.
Dwarves who did have hauling enabled however are all terrible, some even losing stats in the areas their main profession when they aren`t hauling would improve, but since I disable hauling on military dwarves, and even clumsy very weak quick to tire dwarves can get some work done It has not bothered me much. |
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