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0000048Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Tradepublic2010-04-01 16:542014-07-23 15:04
Toady One 
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0000048: Elves bring tame tigermen in cages because they have [PET] and [PETVALUE:x]
Elves brought "Afe Vacinedu, Stray Tigerman Woodcrafter (Tame)" to trade.
Receive elf caravan. Scroll through cages to see if they brought one.
These lesser beings may or may not be tamable - but to be brought by the elves in some sort of slave trade? Not sure about that.

This may be as intended.
pet, Probable Quick Fix, trade
parent of 0001442resolved Toady One Trading for tame humanoid causes crash when opening military screen 
Issue History
2010-04-01 16:54DwarfuNew Issue
2010-04-01 17:59DoctorZuberNote Added: 0000050
2010-04-02 06:16TodestoolTag Attached: trade
2010-04-02 08:34CriptfeindNote Added: 0000186
2010-04-03 12:00dree12Note Added: 0000612
2010-04-03 16:06Urist ImiknorrisNote Added: 0000700
2010-04-03 16:40DoctorZuberNote Added: 0000709
2010-04-03 16:54MaDeR LevapNote Added: 0000714
2010-04-12 14:03KumquatNote Added: 0003120
2010-04-12 14:59Draco18sNote Added: 0003129
2010-04-14 16:09simrobertIssue Monitored: simrobert
2010-04-14 16:49strangethingTag Attached: pet
2010-04-22 18:29FootkerchiefRelationship addedparent of 0001442
2010-04-29 13:38FootkerchiefCategoryGeneral => Dwarf Mode -- Trade
2010-05-05 02:41FlaedeNote Added: 0006159
2010-05-05 09:24FootkerchiefNote Added: 0006180
2010-05-05 18:10tatterdemalianNote Added: 0006223
2010-05-06 06:40Knight Of Our LadyNote Added: 0006265
2010-05-28 14:30thranguyNote Added: 0007437
2010-06-01 16:33dree12Note Added: 0007543
2010-08-02 12:18BaughnNote Added: 0011408
2010-09-17 08:34GauHelldragonNote Added: 0012753
2011-02-15 15:40slinkNote Added: 0015110
2011-02-15 21:02Hieronymous AlloyNote Added: 0015111
2011-02-16 04:50Ogg the Blinky SockNote Added: 0015112
2011-02-16 07:26Hieronymous AlloyIssue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy
2011-02-16 08:02QuietustNote Added: 0015113
2011-02-16 08:26KumquatNote Added: 0015114
2011-02-16 08:27Logical2uNote Added: 0015115
2011-02-19 15:37DwarfuNote Added: 0015291
2011-04-02 13:29DwarfuNote Added: 0016989
2011-04-07 07:41king doomNote Added: 0017158
2012-01-23 12:37FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0004103
2012-01-23 12:38FootkerchiefRelationship deletedrelated to 0004103
2012-03-12 07:27FootkerchiefIssue Monitored: Toady One
2013-03-03 22:26DwarfuNote Added: 0023866
2014-01-26 09:15FootkerchiefSummaryElves bring tame sentients in cages => Elves bring tame tigermen in cages because they have [PET] and [PETVALUE:x]
2014-01-26 09:16FootkerchiefTag Attached: Probable Quick Fix
2014-07-11 17:56SirPenguinNote Added: 0025884
2014-07-23 15:04Toady OneStatusnew => resolved
2014-07-23 15:04Toady OneFixed in Version => Next Version
2014-07-23 15:04Toady OneResolutionopen => fixed
2014-07-23 15:04Toady OneAssigned To => Toady One

2010-04-01 17:59   
elves bringing sentient slaves? I just can't see it. I'd expect that from the humans, but not the elves. But who knows.
2010-04-02 08:34   
This almost seems like it is supost to happen.
2010-04-03 12:00   
Elves have [ETHIC:SLAVERY:PUNISH_EXILE] so it isn't intended.
Urist Imiknorris   
2010-04-03 16:06   
Are we sure this needs fixing?
2010-04-03 16:40   
I wouldn't call it priority, but I think it's a bug yes.
MaDeR Levap   
2010-04-03 16:54   
Yes, at least it should be in agreement with ethics of given civilization/race.
2010-04-12 14:03   
Looking at raws (c_variation_default), it looks like animalman template removes [PET_EXOTIC] but not [PET] or [MOUNT_EXOTIC]. Perhaps the elves 'think' they are selling tigerman mounts?

Likewise giant template removes [PET_EXOTIC] but not [MOUNT_EXOTIC], which sounds like giant variations are not supposed to be tamable.
2010-04-12 14:59   
@Kumquat: (Giant) Bear Cavalry http://tinyurl.com/y9dr9z5 [^]
2010-05-05 02:41   
They're TAME tigermen. Pets.
Very odd, either way. They don't show up in the animals screen. Come to think of it, none of the exotics do.
2010-05-05 09:24   
Flaede: that's 0000482.
2010-05-05 18:10   
That would be cool if elves kept sentients as slaves, but would pitch a fit if your dwarves have non-sentient pets. They're supposed to be Dwarf Fortress's equivalent of PETA, right?
Knight Of Our Lady   
2010-05-06 06:40   
Another user reports: his dwarf became depressed after a battle with goblins and was put into a cage and chained. While encaged, he became Tame Animal and is now refusing to come out of the cage, which makes it impossible to get him to put off his full plate armor and weapons. They tried to starve him, but it does not work.
2010-05-28 14:30   
If you buy these tigermen, you can appoint them to noble offices, which doesn't seem right...
2010-06-01 16:33   
The tigermen ARE intelligent. Maybe try removing [PET]? To me it doesn't make sense raising intelligent beings as pets. But elves are elves...
2010-08-02 12:18   
Humans have been known to raise humans as pets. In real life, too.

It isn't pretty, but it's definitely *possible*.
2010-09-17 08:34   
I've caught tigermen myself and was able to tame them, without a dungeon master even. They require water to live, and will die of dehydration if you leave them in a cage. I haven't spotted one eating, but they might do that as well. They otherwise act like stray animals.

I have noticed one go out and fight a wild tigerman. It managed to defeat it and gained a couple of combat skills as well.
2011-02-15 15:40   
Still here in 31.18. They die of thirst in cages, and also die of thirst at liberty. I just had one die of thirst in the meeting area. There is plenty of booze available, and also a perfectly good well. There are barrels of milk, too, but I suppose tigermen don't lap milk. ;D
Hieronymous Alloy   
2011-02-15 21:02   
Tigermen can't use wells if they're more than a tile up from the water. I suspect they're unable to lower and raise the bucket.
Ogg the Blinky Sock   
2011-02-16 04:50   
Calvin Urdimkir cancels Open Can of Tuna: interrupted by Tigerman.
2011-02-16 08:02   
The tigerman well problem is probably because they aren't actually using the well - they're just drinking from what they think is the shore of a pool/river.
2011-02-16 08:26   
I have had a bunch of tigermen (caught with cage traps) alive and thriving in my fort a good while. They do eat - mostly meat, it would seem - and drink from the brook that runs through the walls.

I had to confine them to a burrow because otherwise they usually wanted to go and drink from the leftmost spot of the brook. This may be a bug or a misfeature.
2011-02-16 08:27   
Is this still happening in 31.19?
2011-02-19 15:37   
I haven't observed it, but the raws for tigermen still contain a [PETVALUE:x] and [PET] tag, which seemed to be the source of the problem.
2011-04-02 13:29   
flieroflight reported this as still happening on the forums:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=81181.msg2140285#msg2140285 [^]
king doom   
2011-04-07 07:41   
I can confirm the elves are still filthy pointy eared slavetraders in the newest version of DF (31.25)
2013-03-03 22:26   
This seems to be particular to tigermen, as they are a single entry and don't make use of the animal man creature variation.

The missing tags from that variation and the GIANT one that Kumquat mentioned were previously corrected, but tigermen still have the [PET] and [PETVALUE:x] tags.
2014-07-11 17:56   
Tigermen still have the [PET] and [PETVALUE:x] tags as of 40.02