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0005299Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Noblespublic2012-02-19 07:022019-01-25 13:14
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0005299: If fortress population drops to 1 child or insane dwarf, can't appoint/elect nobles when migrants arrive
This is similar to issue 141 (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=141 [^]) but I could not figure out how to reopen that.

What happened:
I lost all my dwarves to a forgotten beast except for an unconscious child. After some time (weeks? months?) new migrants have arrived! But nobody takes the title of expedition leader and so I cannot appoint any nobles.

Maybe if nobody is eligible to become the new leader at the time the old one dies the game won't try again later?
Can provide save.
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related to 0000141closed Toady One After death of expedition leader or mayor (any noble), positions disappear from nobles screen and can't be appointed or replaced 
related to 0007146new  Expedition Leader can have left the fort upon unretire, blanking out nobles screen. 
has duplicate 0005579resolved Knight Otu Nobles completely disabled 
has duplicate 0004871resolved Footkerchief Blank Nobles Screen 
has duplicate 0005873resolved Footkerchief Baron is not arriving even with requirements 
has duplicate 0005975resolved Knight Otu The assign nobles screen blanks out when all adults are dead, but children still survive. 
has duplicate 0006122resolved Knight Otu Noble screen blank after melancholy leader dies 
has duplicate 0007993resolved Footkerchief Expedition Leader not appointed/appointable. 
has duplicate 0009639resolved Knight Otu Can't select nobles after forgotten beast attack left only one survivor and shortly after 18 migrants arrived 
has duplicate 0009934resolved Loci After die-off of all adult dwarves, fort not considered to fall; when migrants arrive, no new expedition leader appointed. 
has duplicate 0010791resolved Loci Positions Vanish for Noble Screen When Fort Reduced to Single "Monster Slayer" 
related to 0008129confirmed Footkerchief Positions disappear from nobles screen when expedition leader is promoted to monarch 
related to 0008644new  Nobles Screen left blank after Expedition Leader Died, Stay blank even after retire/unretire 
Issue History
2012-02-19 07:02cyhawkNew Issue
2012-02-19 07:51FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0000141
2012-02-19 07:52FootkerchiefNote Added: 0020118
2012-02-19 08:25cyhawkNote Added: 0020132
2012-02-23 09:46timmNote Added: 0020551
2012-02-23 09:47timmNote Edited: 0020551bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0020551#r7634
2012-02-23 10:36FootkerchiefSummaryNew expedition leader does not get elected => If fortress population drops to 1 child, can't appoint/elect nobles when migrants arrive
2012-03-08 11:02Knight OtuRelationship addedhas duplicate 0005579
2012-05-08 19:16GrutharNote Added: 0022458
2012-05-14 08:43FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0004871
2012-05-14 08:45FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0005873
2012-05-16 09:14FootkerchiefRelationship replacedhas duplicate 0005873
2012-06-01 06:31Knight OtuRelationship addedhas duplicate 0005975
2012-06-09 03:21un_defNote Added: 0022930
2012-07-23 02:15Knight OtuRelationship addedhas duplicate 0006122
2012-07-23 02:17Knight OtuSummaryIf fortress population drops to 1 child, can't appoint/elect nobles when migrants arrive => If fortress population drops to 1 child or insane dwarf, can't appoint/elect nobles when migrants arrive
2012-07-23 16:32slamNote Added: 0023334
2012-07-23 16:33slamNote Edited: 0023334bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0023334#r8704
2012-07-23 16:34slamIssue Monitored: slam
2013-09-23 22:15GeaxleNote Added: 0024136
2014-01-27 10:56fu-fuNote Added: 0024396
2014-07-12 12:11FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0007146
2014-08-13 18:23FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0007993
2014-08-13 18:23FootkerchiefIssue Monitored: Therolt
2014-08-13 18:23FootkerchiefAssigned To => Footkerchief
2014-08-13 18:23FootkerchiefStatusnew => confirmed
2014-08-24 07:25FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0008129
2014-11-24 12:11yd12kNote Added: 0031151
2014-12-20 13:58FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0008644
2016-04-03 02:43Knight OtuRelationship addedhas duplicate 0009639
2016-04-03 02:46Knight OtuNote Added: 0034970
2016-07-22 22:07LociRelationship addedhas duplicate 0009934
2016-07-22 22:08LociNote Added: 0035679
2016-07-22 22:22unbeliever536Note Added: 0035682
2018-06-17 13:35LociRelationship addedhas duplicate 0010791
2019-01-25 13:14jaddleNote Added: 0039151
2019-01-25 16:32jaddleNote Edited: 0039151bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0039151#r15927

2012-02-19 07:52   
Reminder sent to: cyhawk

The save would be appreciated. You can upload to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]
2012-02-19 08:25   
Thanks, uploaded as http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5606. [^]
2012-02-23 09:46   
(edited on: 2012-02-23 09:47)
I can confirm this issue. All dwarves died except for a child, and upon immigration, no new nobles can be appointed.

Since there are hostiles left inside the fortress and I can't appoint a militia, it is impossible to continue playing.

2012-05-08 19:16   
Experiencing a similar bug, identical to issue # 0004871 (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=4871 [^]). Running v34.05. My Expedition Leader went melancholy as the last dwarf standing, and died shortly after the arrival of new migrants. No new leader was appointed, nor was a mayor elected after the fortress grew > 50.

It seems that if there is no eligible successor when a leader passes, it breaks the appointment system.
2012-06-09 03:21   
I experienced a similar problem in version 0.34.10

I uploaded my save to the DFFD.

http://dffd.wimbli.com/download.php?id=6459&f=region1+-+Copy.zip [^]
2012-07-23 16:32   
(edited on: 2012-07-23 16:33)
I am having the exact same problem as Gruthar. A solo melancholy dwarf remained, new settlers arrived, and the melancholy dwarf died. Nobles screen is blank.

The one possible conflating factor for me is that I am on a map with a lot of undead activity. There may be some chances that one of my old nobles is now walking dead but I can't find him and put him to rest.

My surface has been overrun with 100-200 zombies for five years. I did notice some old dwarves resurrect and took new names when they did; constructing engraved slabs for them seemed to put them to rest.

2013-09-23 22:15   
Similar problem in 0.34.11

Lost 6 of the starting dwarf in an early tantrum spiral. The last survivor went crazy. Shortly after the first migration wave arrived and the crazy dwarf soon died. I was unable to appoint a new leader or any other noble. I waited another migration wave in case but the problem remained.
2014-01-27 10:56   
Similar/Same problem in 0.34.11 (linux)
Tryed playing freezing, made a 2x2 farm plot, as undead creatures and other fun came about and killed everyone but my hunter. Hunter brewd a drink, went made, then migrants. (And they all died except 1 who was brewing a drink at the time..)

Now the nobels screen is completly blank, cannot manage fortress.

Link to save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8369 [^]
2014-11-24 12:11   
Same problem 0.40.16 (windows, using lazy newb pack)
Weremonitor killed my my fort except an infected child, migrants arrive, this bug.
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10124 [^]
Knight Otu   
2016-04-03 02:46   
In 0009639, MaryaClare said that at least in 0.42.06 a new mayor was elected after a time.
2016-07-22 22:08   
v0.43.05: unbeliever536 posted a save in 0009934:

http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12287 [^]
2016-07-22 22:22   
Playing the same save forward, a new expedition leader actually *was* appointed shortly after an annual autosave. Not sure exactly what's going on.
2019-01-25 13:14   
(edited on: 2019-01-25 16:32)
Saw the same thing in 0.44.11 after a pesky werebeast epidemic. It seems to have fixed itself quickly though - I made a military shortly after getting some migrants (appointing the commander through the military screen, not the nobles screen). Next time I looked at the nobles screen, all was back to normal!