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0007398Dwarf FortressAdventure Mode -- AIpublic2014-07-16 15:372016-05-25 15:20
ReporterTrif 
Assigned ToFootkerchief 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
StatusresolvedResolutionfixed 
PlatformPCOSWindows 7OS Version64 Bit
Product Version 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0007398: Local leaders will agree to join you in an insurrection to overthrow themselves
DescriptionLords or ladies will gladly join you in an insurrection to take over their own position, proving that diplomacy can solve your problems.
Steps To ReproduceTravel to a fort.
Tell the lord or lady that you claim this side for yourself and your group.
Ask them about the local ruler.
Ask them to join you in an insurrection. They'll agree and join your group.
Lead them out of the keep, then enter it. The insurrection succeeds! You are now the ruler.
Additional InformationIf the former ruler enters the keep after the insurrection, they'll be happy that the oppressor is overthrown and leave your group. Once you exit the keep, they'll immediately assume power again.
You can now declare your claim again and repeat the whole process.

If you ask the ruler to join you before you declare your claim, they'll decline.

An easy way to stay in power is to tell the ruler to wait outside while they're still in your party. Then after the insurrection succeeds, they won't re-enter the keep even though they left your party and you'll keep the ruling position.
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Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2014-07-16 15:37TrifNew Issue
2014-07-16 15:53TalvienoNote Added: 0026673
2014-07-16 15:54FootkerchiefNote Added: 0026675
2014-07-16 15:54FootkerchiefAssigned To => Footkerchief
2014-07-16 15:54FootkerchiefStatusnew => needs feedback
2014-07-16 16:06TrifNote Added: 0026679
2014-07-16 16:06TrifStatusneeds feedback => assigned
2014-07-16 16:06TrifNote Edited: 0026679bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0026679#r9940
2014-07-16 16:10FootkerchiefNote Added: 0026680
2014-07-16 16:10FootkerchiefNote Edited: 0026680bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0026680#r9942
2014-07-16 16:15TrifNote Added: 0026683
2014-07-16 16:17TrifNote Edited: 0026683bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0026683#r9944
2014-07-16 16:51FootkerchiefNote Added: 0026686
2014-07-16 16:53FootkerchiefNote Edited: 0026686bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0026686#r9946
2014-07-16 17:28TrifNote Added: 0026695
2014-07-16 17:32FootkerchiefNote Added: 0026698
2014-09-27 12:39ptb_ptbNote Added: 0030406
2016-05-24 13:59TrifNote Added: 0035286
2016-05-25 15:20DwarfuNote Added: 0035301
2016-05-25 15:20DwarfuStatusassigned => resolved
2016-05-25 15:20DwarfuResolutionopen => fixed

Notes
(0026673)
Talvieno   
2014-07-16 15:53   
As of now, this is my new favorite bug of 40.xx.
(0026675)
Footkerchief   
2014-07-16 15:54   
"Tell the lord or lady that you claim this side for yourself and your group."

Did this part bring up the site-naming dialog, or the "I've forgotten my bold pronouncement" thing?
(0026679)
Trif   
2014-07-16 16:06   
It brings up the site-naming.
(0026680)
Footkerchief   
2014-07-16 16:10   
If you succeeded in claiming the site before starting an insurrection, it sounds like you actually recruited them for an insurrection against yourself.
(0026683)
Trif   
2014-07-16 16:15   
(edited on: 2014-07-16 16:17)
But after I declare my claim, I ask who the ruler is and they respond with "The group soandso rules placename. I am lady/lord. We are in the right in all matters." And then I ask them to join me in an insurrection against this group.

Edit: The claim doesn't succeed, I just declare it and immediately ask the ruler to join me.
(0026686)
Footkerchief   
2014-07-16 16:51   
(edited on: 2014-07-16 16:53)
How are you determining if the first claim succeeds?

Perhaps declaring the claim to the lord/lady isn't actually transmitting the information that they're no longer in charge? What happens if, after making the claim, you report the incident of making a claim?

Is the first claim necessary to reproduce this behavior?
(0026695)
Trif   
2014-07-16 17:28   
The claim succeeds once the previous ruler is outside of the keep while you are inside of it (which is very easy once the ruler is your companion). The game informs you with a pop-up telling you that you and your group are now in control of this site. You can also ask any NPC about the local ruler and they'll say that you rule this site.

Just declaring the claim doesn't mean that the ruler is deposed, it means that you plan to depose them. After you declare your claim, you can ask anyone and they'll tell you that the old ruler is still in charge. Reporting the incident doesn't seem to have an effect on that.

The first claim is necessary; as I said in the additional info, if you don't declare your claim, the ruler declines to join you.

One more thing that I just found out: if you talk to the ruler, claim the site, say goodbye, talk to the ruler again and then ask them to join your insurrection, they'll decline.
Claim and insurrection recruiting have to happen in the same conversation. You can talk about different topics in between, but saying goodbye somehow interrupts the behavior.
(0026698)
Footkerchief   
2014-07-16 17:32   
Interesting, thanks for the detailed replies!
(0030406)
ptb_ptb   
2014-09-27 12:39   
Still seeing this in 40.13
(0035286)
Trif   
2016-05-24 13:59   
This was fixed! In 0.41.03, the ruler won't agree to join in the insurrection, they'll just give you a "I'm sorry. My duty is here."
(0035301)
Dwarfu   
2016-05-25 15:20   
Probably related to the fixes for 0009650. PM a manager on the forums if this needs to be reopened.