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|0001023||Dwarf Fortress||Dwarf Mode -- Jobs, Cancellation and Suspension||public||2010-04-11 17:31||2011-04-15 18:39|
|Assigned To||Toady One|
|Priority||normal||Severity||minor||Reproducibility||have not tried|
|Platform||PC||OS||Vista 64||OS Version||Ultimate SP 2|
|Target Version||Fixed in Version||0.31.22|
|Summary||0001023: People picking up soap, getting "cancels Clean Self: Area inaccessible", then dropping it|
|Description||I saw a bug report where the pets were doing something like this, but this time around I had several people do this. They were recently in a fight and covered with blood, but not wounded so the hospital didn't take care of it.|
They'd go to the stockpile, pick up a bar of donkey soap, I'd get the error message "Cancels Clean Self: Area Inaccessable" and then they'd put it back, walk about 10 spaces, and then try again, over and over. This happened with bars of soap in bins as well as just lying in a stockpile.
I dumped all the bars of soap and the problem stopped. I went to the trash pile and made a bar accessible again and the problem resumed after the bar was taken back to the bar/block stockpile.
|Tags||clean self, Save Included, soap|
|Does this behavior persist through a save/load? If so, please upload the save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] If not, this is another instance of 0000018|
Mr. Boh (reporter)
|It does, however I'm afraid I don't have a working save anymore. I found some HFS and that was the end of my fort.|
|This problem appears to still exist in 0.31.03 (see 0001170)|
Mr. Boh (reporter)
|This may be related - I recently had a squad of soldiers do the same thing with a spider silk cloak. It wasn't part of the uniform but they all seemed to want it. The error message given was "equipment mismatch." I added it to their uniform and the message went away, but they still picked it up and put it back down until I disbanded the squad.|
|^^^ That's probably unrelated. There are a ton of problems with equipment -- see 0000535.|
|I have this problem in my current game. When I get home and load it up, if it is still occurring, I will try to figure out how to upload the save.|
It's still occurring for me under .03, and if you (z)oom to the announcement, it goes to the bar of soap.
It appears in all my forts once I create at least one bar of soap and a hospital zone with empty chests. The bar of soap can be in a stockpile, or at the soapery. Pets and dwarves will start hauling the soap (possibly to the well to Clean themselves) and will drop it with this error, often in the middle of a hallway.
My (wild) guess is that someone wants to take the bar of soap to the hospital, or two dwarves want to use the same bar of soap, causing the dwarf/pet currently using the soap to drop it (maybe the clean job doesn't lock the soap properly, causing it to appear to be available for hauling?)
|its also worth noting that pets probably shouldn't be using soap to clean themselves.|
There is a copy of my save file. Specifically Migel the Fisherdwarf is in a constant loop of trying to clean himself. So is a cat, btw, though not as often it seems.
Von Krieger (reporter)
|I'm getting this as well. I'm also having animals do it. There are dogs and kittens that pick up the soap, go a few spaces, and then halt entirely, dropping the soap. Then someone carries said soap back to the pile, and it starts all over again.|
|Getting this as well. A mason is trying to clean himself with soap and failing constantly due to "area inaccessable". I couldn't find anything odd about the dwarf aside from the fact that apparently he's missing his right ear. Also he seems to be currently naked and has spatters, smears and coatings of all sorts of blood on him, apparently only on both his feet.|
|This is also annoying me too. They keep trying to clean an inaccessible area constantly, and right now, i wish they'd stop. My sheriff constantly tries to clean himself, and continues to fail, even with soap. I dunno why, it's like it's designed for his body and not items, so if his items are spattered, he can't clean them. Unless he's instead drenched in his hands, and he can't clean the one he's holding it with, thus removing his ability to clean himself. Though i'm slightly sure they can clean themselves with water, but not with soaps. It's like holding it bugs them.|
that's probably why, his ear is gone, so clean self fails.
Is anybody seeing this on unwounded dwarves?
I'm getting it on an unwounded miner covered in limonite.
I also made him drop his pick to test if that was interfering. It still occurs.
I saw this after producing some soap for the hospital.
First time with a kitten, second time with a dwarf.
Both had splatterings of blood on them.
I forbade all soap bars and waited for them to clean without soap, just with water. It worked in both cases.
Toady One (administrator)
|The ones with animals/babies are handled, but I've still got to get to the dwarven message spam where it occurs.|
This happened to me as my Soap Workshop was built with a rock wall to the north and west (workshop built on the left upper corner of a room), a lye stockpile to the south and open space to the east. I ordered a miner to dig 1 row of the northern and western rock walls so to make the northern and western sides of my Soap Workshop accessible, and then the alert stopped.
Don´t know if it has something to it, but I felt like reporting.
Here's a save. Ral, the chief medical dwarf, is constantly trying to clean himself and then cancelling for "area inaccessible". This is a save started in 0.31.04 but recently moved to 0.31.06.
|Looks like you've got some saves already, but if you need another, I've got it going on in an ongoing game as well and can upload it.|
edited on: 2010-06-18 04:39
I had a dwarf try this; he went down to the stockpiles where the soap was in a bin, generated the error message; he then walked about 3 tiles diagonally away, went back to the bin, generated the error message again, and now he's gone off in another direction with "store item in stockpile".
I have a save as well if needed.
edited on: 2010-07-19 03:06
Could it possibly be because it's an area of the body covered by clothing? I have one dwarf with blood on each of her fingers (or toes?), but who is also wearing gloves, who is getting that message. She also has it on a couple of other parts of her clothing, so other causes aren't totally eliminated, but it made me wonder.
EDIT/UPDATE: A couple of years on from there in my ongoing game, I still get that message from her, and she's the only one I get it from. It may or may not be relevant, but I also noticed that she is actually carrying/wearing three items of hand clothing (two mittens and a glove -- she's just like that). And there still remain the blood spatters on what I can only guess are her feet and fingers (text is truncated, so all I see are "fifth ..." and s forth).
She's wearing a trousers, a dress, a cloak, a robe, a hood, the aforementioned mittens and glove, the also-aforementioned blood spatters/smears, and I presume her unmentionables.
(MUCH LATER EDIT/UPDATE): Meh -- now I'm seeing it on multiple dwarves, so it might have been that she was the only one with the time on her hands to harass me with cleaning job cancellations.
Got yet another save where "Hulk" is (presumably) trying to clean off his blood-spattered rib.
|I still ocassionally get this message in my current fortress .10. I just forbid soap entirely untill itsneeded in my hospital|
edited on: 2010-07-16 14:35
I don't think it has anything to do with the area of the body; it's some kind of soap interaction. After I forbade all the soap from my dwarves, they walked up to the well and washed away all the things bothering them without problems. But if soap wasn't forbidden, when they picked up the soap, they went a few steps away from the well, got the error, and dropped the soap.
edited on: 2010-07-17 00:10
I have the problem too now.
Right after a fight with Gobelins, some of my dwarves are covered with dwarf and gobeling blood or pus.
They run toward the soap bars in the stockpile, touch the bar, then "cancels Clean Self: Area inaccessible".
The aera is themselves... since they want to clean themselves.
MANUAL WORKAROUND :
Use 'z' -> Stocks -> Bars , then forbid all your Soap bars.
Your Dwarves will go to a water source to clean themselves.
Once done with the cleaning, just claim your Soap bars again.
Shaggy Frog (reporter)
|This is related to my report 0002222|
|For me it was on a dwarf that was carrying an axe that said "multigrasp" whatever that means. Perhaps he couldn't use the soap because he was hugging his axe?|
Mine is a miner, but removing that labor so that he no longer carried a pick did not solve the problem. Clad in nothing but two blood stains from a deer, he picked up the bar of soap, announced the job cancellation and dropped it. Then he walked to the well which was only a few steps away. Once at the well, he flashed a red question mark and returned to the soap stockpile where he appeared to pick up another bar of soap and immediately put that one back in the bin. The one he had dropped remained outside of its bin.
I then installed a floor hatch over the up/down staircase which serves as the emergency exit from the well reservior. This time when he approached the well with the intent to wash himself, he only got to the part where he announced the cancellation. After some length of time, done in single-step, he returned the soap to the bin and walked away without approaching the well at all.
It appears to me as if he wants to wash in the reservior rather than at the well.
I tried removing the hospital zone from around the well. That did not work. Then I tried putting in a water zone around the well and declaring zone-only drinking. That did not work.
Save/load did not fix it, nor save/quit/start/load/
Here is the save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2856 [^]
This is still occurring as of 0.31.12
I am using the mayday version, I don't know if that makes a difference.
I created a stockpile adjacent to the well, and the error continued to occur.
When I increased the soap level to be stored in the hospital, however, all the soap was moved there are the spam stopped.
my fortress is filthy though.... I think something was killed in my sculpture garden in the rain, there's a massive blood coating and it trickled (or was tracked) into my fortress.
Blood does make for a nice decor at times, but it's very distracting...
|I've seen this occaisionally in 0.31.12, though I've never had a dwarf try to repeat the action and spam me with announcements, I get one every few seasons. It could be because I have only one bar of soap outside of my hospital.|
|Still occurring in 0.31.13 -- I basically can't have any unforbidden soap outside of hospital chests without getting a message every few seconds about it.|
ZaZ Amari (reporter)
edited on: 2010-10-15 18:37
Still occurs in 0.31.16. Partially fixed by channeling a tile in the path of dwarves and filling it with more than 1 depth of water thusly washing the dwarves as they move along with their business. Replaces blood etc with water covering however.
Malibu Stacey (reporter)
I see this happening with my militia dwarves when they go off duty & think about washing all the goblin blood off themselves. It only happens with militia dwarves for me. I've got 20-30 bars of soap outside the hospital in a freely accessible stockpile. The dwarves will pick up a bar of soap, walk a couple of steps carring the soap, then the cancel message comes up, then the dwarf drops the bar of soap (and often gets a "Store item in stockpile/Store item in bin" job to return said soap bar to the stockpile right away).
I have an indoor well about 40 steps away with a bucket stockpile next to it which has plenty of spare buckets. It seems to be the same handful of dwarves with the issue.
As stated by OzoneGrif, forbidding the soap stops the cancellations. The dwarves go wash themselves with water & unforbidding the soap afterwards doesn't generate any more message spam until the next time the same dwarves are covered in goblin/kobold blood & go off duty.
|Same problem, I am very curious as to the "why's" of this particular bug|
I have the same problem.
I tried making a soapbar stockpile at the end of the hospital zone. To get there the dwarfs have to cross a pond with 2/7 or 3/7 water. This does the trick for most of them, but some have blood inside of them I think.
They usually have been injured, perhaps something broken.
Right now I have a dwarf with blood on his left kidney. He cannot wash it off I guess and he keeps spamming me.
I use version 0.31.19
Can we expect a fix on that one? It's a big, very, really annoying bug.
Pwease ! *shiny eyes*
|This bug is still there? Wow. I had no idea. (I never use soap. <_<)|
31.21 happens to me, too.
Mainly children but also adults.
|2010-04-11 17:31||Mr. Boh||New Issue|
|2010-04-11 18:25||Footkerchief||Note Added: 0002933|
|2010-04-11 18:25||Footkerchief||Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE|
|2010-04-11 18:28||Mr. Boh||Note Added: 0002935|
|2010-04-14 17:04||shadow_slicer||Note Added: 0003579|
|2010-04-14 17:34||Mr. Boh||Note Added: 0003584|
|2010-04-14 20:27||Footkerchief||Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE|
|2010-04-14 20:28||Footkerchief||Note Added: 0003603|
|2010-04-14 20:29||Footkerchief||Relationship added||has duplicate 0001170|
|2010-04-14 21:12||marcbyrne||Note Added: 0003617|
|2010-04-15 01:51||Langdon||Note Added: 0003638|
|2010-04-15 02:50||drunken||Note Added: 0003642|
|2010-04-15 05:02||marcbyrne||Note Added: 0003648|
|2010-04-15 05:32||Von Krieger||Note Added: 0003653|
|2010-04-23 16:28||Lac||Tag Attached: soap|
|2010-04-24 04:26||RiceMunk||Note Added: 0004868|
|2010-04-25 12:40||Hugna||Note Added: 0005021|
|2010-04-25 14:38||DoctorZuber||Note Added: 0005037|
|2010-04-25 15:25||Christes||Note Added: 0005046|
|2010-04-25 15:25||Christes||Tag Attached: *CLT*|
|2010-04-25 15:25||Christes||Tag Detached: *CLT*|
|2010-04-25 15:26||Christes||Tag Attached: clean self|
|2010-04-26 14:10||Footkerchief||Relationship added||has duplicate 0001557|
|2010-04-29 00:31||Suzuran||Issue Monitored: Suzuran|
|2010-04-29 03:40||e-dog||Note Added: 0005650|
|2010-05-02 15:32||Logical2u||Relationship added||related to 0001701|
|2010-05-03 12:26||Footkerchief||Relationship added||child of 0000302|
|2010-05-03 12:26||Footkerchief||Relationship deleted||related to 0001701|
|2010-06-02 03:23||Toady One||Relationship replaced||related to 0000302|
|2010-06-02 03:31||Toady One||Note Added: 0007572|
|2010-06-02 03:31||Toady One||Assigned To||=> Toady One|
|2010-06-02 03:31||Toady One||Status||new => acknowledged|
|2010-06-16 12:51||Jh00||Note Added: 0008567|
|2010-06-16 13:46||Kanddak||Note Added: 0008574|
|2010-06-17 14:19||ChickenLips||Note Added: 0008610|
|2010-06-17 22:02||wRAR||Issue Monitored: wRAR|
|2010-06-18 03:20||sirbruce||Note Added: 0008616|
|2010-06-18 04:39||sirbruce||Note Edited: 0008616||View Revisions|
|2010-06-18 07:54||Kyle_Solo||Tag Attached: Save Included|
|2010-06-19 02:41||wRAR||Note Added: 0008673|
|2010-06-19 13:18||Kanddak||Issue Monitored: Kanddak|
|2010-06-26 16:59||ChickenLips||Note Added: 0009150|
|2010-06-26 20:56||ChickenLips||Issue Monitored: ChickenLips|
|2010-06-26 22:32||Dwarfu||Issue Monitored: Dwarfu|
|2010-06-28 04:50||ChickenLips||Note Edited: 0009150||View Revisions|
|2010-07-03 20:09||Blebleman||Issue Monitored: Blebleman|
|2010-07-14 17:41||prios||Note Added: 0010268|
|2010-07-14 22:11||Scarfyjnr||Note Added: 0010304|
|2010-07-15 13:04||JimboOmega||Issue Monitored: JimboOmega|
|2010-07-16 13:30||Footkerchief||Summary||People picking up soap, getting "Cancel Clean Self: Area Inaccessable", then dropping it. => People picking up soap, getting "Cancels Clean Self: Area Inaccessable", then dropping it.|
|2010-07-16 13:30||Footkerchief||Description Updated||View Revisions|
|2010-07-16 13:31||Footkerchief||Summary||People picking up soap, getting "Cancels Clean Self: Area Inaccessable", then dropping it. => People picking up soap, getting "cancels Clean Self: Area inaccessible", then dropping it.|
|2010-07-16 13:31||Footkerchief||Summary||People picking up soap, getting "cancels Clean Self: Area inaccessible", then dropping it. => People picking up soap, getting "cancels Clean Self: Area inaccessible", then dropping it|
|2010-07-16 13:32||Footkerchief||Relationship added||has duplicate 0002720|
|2010-07-16 14:24||JimboOmega||Note Added: 0010449|
|2010-07-16 14:35||JimboOmega||Note Edited: 0010449||View Revisions|
|2010-07-16 23:04||OzoneGrif||Note Added: 0010478|
|2010-07-16 23:04||OzoneGrif||Note Edited: 0010478||View Revisions|
|2010-07-17 00:10||OzoneGrif||Note Edited: 0010478||View Revisions|
|2010-07-19 01:11||Shaggy Frog||Note Added: 0010616|
|2010-07-19 03:06||ChickenLips||Note Edited: 0009150||View Revisions|
|2010-07-21 01:57||zwei||Issue Monitored: zwei|
|2010-07-23 09:28||bobbens||Issue Monitored: bobbens|
|2010-07-23 17:38||Mason11987||Note Added: 0010885|
|2010-07-29 16:11||slink||Note Added: 0011268|
|2010-08-02 14:09||aleander||Issue Monitored: aleander|
|2010-08-02 21:01||Tzalumen||Note Added: 0011424|
|2010-08-05 22:43||Footkerchief||Relationship added||has duplicate 0002957|
|2010-08-06 03:41||xrogaan||Issue Monitored: xrogaan|
|2010-08-06 15:28||maximusfive||Issue Monitored: maximusfive|
|2010-08-06 16:22||Hieronymous Alloy||Issue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy|
|2010-08-08 16:17||HebaruSan||Issue Monitored: HebaruSan|
|2010-08-10 03:00||Pyrite||Note Added: 0011688|
|2010-08-10 09:54||theqmann||Issue Monitored: theqmann|
|2010-08-18 19:55||nil||Issue Monitored: nil|
|2010-09-14 16:23||cubcub989||Issue Monitored: cubcub989|
|2010-09-14 16:23||cubcub989||Issue End Monitor: cubcub989|
|2010-09-15 20:46||Logical2u||Relationship added||has duplicate 0002726|
|2010-09-17 07:59||Issue Monitored: reddit|
|2010-09-21 15:56||akd||Note Added: 0012872|
|2010-10-15 18:35||ZaZ Amari||Note Added: 0013383|
|2010-10-15 18:37||ZaZ Amari||Note Edited: 0013383||View Revisions|
|2010-10-26 08:24||Malibu Stacey||Note Added: 0013521|
|2010-11-05 13:37||Another||Issue Monitored: Another|
|2010-11-07 21:30||CaveLobsterShell||Issue Monitored: CaveLobsterShell|
|2010-11-11 10:54||Khym Chanur||Issue Monitored: Khym Chanur|
|2010-12-22 15:26||hyperactiveChipmunk||Issue Monitored: hyperactiveChipmunk|
|2010-12-26 07:07||dai-rasa||Issue Monitored: dai-rasa|
|2011-01-15 15:09||Logical2u||Relationship added||has duplicate 0003892|
|2011-01-31 18:35||Cespinarve||Note Added: 0014960|
|2011-02-04 16:29||mrchinchin25||Issue Monitored: mrchinchin25|
|2011-03-06 09:23||Subdane||Note Added: 0015806|
|2011-03-11 12:29||Dwarfu||Relationship added||has duplicate 0004195|
|2011-03-14 11:23||OzoneGrif||Note Added: 0016241|
|2011-03-14 11:24||Footkerchief||Sticky Issue||No => Yes|
|2011-03-14 13:20||AbuDhabi||Note Added: 0016243|
|2011-03-17 00:15||gpmfuchs||Note Added: 0016317|
|2011-03-17 00:16||gpmfuchs||Issue Monitored: gpmfuchs|
|2011-03-21 03:49||Toady One||Status||acknowledged => resolved|
|2011-03-21 03:49||Toady One||Fixed in Version||=> 0.31.22|
|2011-03-21 03:49||Toady One||Resolution||open => fixed|
|2011-03-21 08:08||zwei||Issue End Monitor: zwei|
|2011-03-21 08:40||Dwarfu||Issue End Monitor: Dwarfu|
|2011-03-21 08:41||Dwarfu||Sticky Issue||Yes => No|
|2011-03-21 08:44||aleander||Issue End Monitor: aleander|
|2011-03-21 11:14||dai-rasa||Issue End Monitor: dai-rasa|
|2011-03-21 23:07||Khym Chanur||Issue End Monitor: Khym Chanur|
|2011-03-24 10:10||hyperactiveChipmunk||Issue End Monitor: hyperactiveChipmunk|
|2011-03-28 04:40||Another||Issue End Monitor: Another|
|2011-04-03 07:18||bobbens||Issue End Monitor: bobbens|
|2011-04-07 10:11||wRAR||Issue End Monitor: wRAR|
|2011-04-15 18:39||gpmfuchs||Issue End Monitor: gpmfuchs|
|2012-02-16 08:53||Footkerchief||Relationship added||related to 0002500|
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