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IDProjectCategoryView StatusDate SubmittedLast Update
0010528Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Jobs, Item Improvements/Decorationspublic2018-01-15 20:142018-01-17 13:32
ReporterCincotta1 
Assigned ToLoci 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityhave not tried
StatusconfirmedResolutionopen 
PlatformmacOSHigh SierraOS Version10.13.2
Product Version0.44.05 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0010528: Dwarves create statues of historical figures using events that the dwarves have no knowledge of
DescriptionProblem observed in masons workshop, metalsmith's forge, and craftdwarves workshop for statues and figurines. Requesting, via the [d]etails menu, that the image be of deity in the historical figures list results in random statue image, not the requested one. Other historical figures seem to work properly. May be related to advanced world gen param "reveal all historical events" being set to no.
Steps To ReproduceGenerate world with history hidden and start fortress mode in vanilla df
Observe which deities are worshipped by dwarves
Order statue be made at mason workshop
In [d]etails, specify image, related to historical figure, and choose a worshipped deity from list
Observe finished statue is not of deity
TagsIntentional/Expected?
Attached Files

- Relationships
has duplicate 0010770resolvedLoci Subject of statues not conforming to assigned subject 

-  Notes
(0037633)
Huntthetroll (reporter)
2018-01-15 20:25
edited on: 2018-01-15 20:25

 Check the description of the statue. If it is listed as a statue of [random historical figure] instead of a statue of [deity], it should show that historical figure *interacting* with said deity. See kneaugh's explanation here: 0010498
(0037636)
Cincotta1 (reporter)
2018-01-15 20:53

 The statues I have made all depict elves writing manuscripts rather than interacting with the dwarven deity, though kneaugh's work-around works.
Thanks
(0037645)
Huntthetroll (reporter)
2018-01-16 09:19

 Were those elves writing the manuscripts to glorify the deity? That can happen during world generation, where a bard will create a work dedicated to a deity that is not their own. Usually, said deity is worshiped in the civilization that founded the site where the bard is currently living,

If not, your hypothesis about "reveal all historical events" may well be correct.
(0037648)
Cincotta1 (reporter)
2018-01-16 19:53

 I can find the authors and the sites claimed using the 'specific image' menus, but cannot find the works in those menus or in the civ screen artifact list. Three of the titles follow the form "The Sun Sets on ____" and the others are titled "Delight and the Freckle" and "We See Bottoms", all of which follow forms of similar titles for plays, novels, short stories which "have no particular subject."
(0037649)
Huntthetroll (reporter)
2018-01-16 20:47

 You should upload a save of your game to http://dffd.bay12games.com. [^] That way, others (particularly the bug tracker managers) will be able to see the behavior that you have described for themselves.
(0037652)
Loci (manager)
2018-01-17 09:10

 Yes, please upload a save demonstrating this issue to DFFD and post a link here.
(0037653)
Cincotta1 (reporter)
2018-01-17 11:29

 I have uploaded a .zip of the save on the forum here: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13434. [^] The save should open to a room with the defective items dumped on the floor under a figurine.
(0037656)
Loci (manager)
2018-01-17 13:15

 From an xml dump of Legends from your save, I determined that "We See Bottoms" was written to glorify Ad. "The Sun Sets on Race" and "The Sun Sets on Trances" were written to glorify Zutthan, another dwarven god that you likely requested historical images of.

It could be considered a bug that dwarves will depict events that relate to the chosen subject in ways the dwarves don't comprehend, or it could be thought of as the god guiding the dwarf's hand in mystical ways to depict an event the dwarf had no earthly knowledge of. In the latter case, it would be nice if the title of the work was adjusted to cite the historical figure, e.g. "statue glorifying Ad" instead of "statue of (random elf)".

- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
2018-01-15 20:14 Cincotta1 New Issue
2018-01-15 20:25 Huntthetroll Note Added: 0037633
2018-01-15 20:25 Huntthetroll Note Edited: 0037633 View Revisions
2018-01-15 20:53 Cincotta1 Note Added: 0037636
2018-01-16 09:19 Huntthetroll Note Added: 0037645
2018-01-16 19:53 Cincotta1 Note Added: 0037648
2018-01-16 20:47 Huntthetroll Note Added: 0037649
2018-01-17 09:10 Loci Note Added: 0037652
2018-01-17 09:10 Loci Assigned To => Loci
2018-01-17 09:10 Loci Status new => needs feedback
2018-01-17 11:29 Cincotta1 Note Added: 0037653
2018-01-17 11:29 Cincotta1 Status needs feedback => assigned
2018-01-17 13:15 Loci Note Added: 0037656
2018-01-17 13:15 Loci Status assigned => confirmed
2018-01-17 13:15 Loci Summary Dwarves ignore detailed orders for statues of deities => Dwarves create statues of events involving historical figures that the dwarves have no knowlege of
2018-01-17 13:16 Loci Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected?
2018-01-17 13:17 Loci Summary Dwarves create statues of events involving historical figures that the dwarves have no knowlege of => Dwarves create statues of historical figures using events that the dwarves have no knowlege of
2018-01-17 13:32 Loci Summary Dwarves create statues of historical figures using events that the dwarves have no knowlege of => Dwarves create statues of historical figures using events that the dwarves have no knowledge of
2018-05-24 18:22 Loci Relationship added has duplicate 0010770

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