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0001102Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Diplomacypublic2010-04-13 14:272010-08-11 08:43
Assigned ToToady One 
PrioritynormalSeveritymajorReproducibilityhave not tried
PlatformOSOS Version
Product Version0.31.03 
Target VersionFixed in Version0.31.12 
Summary0001102: Liaisons/diplomats not replaced
DescriptionWhile playing, I noticed that the Human Liason never arrived with the caravan. Inspection of the civ screen for the humans reveals that they only have one noble, the Law-giver. After hearing about other liason problems on the forums, the current speculation is that they are not being replaced properly. Possibly only a worldgen bug.
Steps To ReproduceA) Generate a world where the liason of a civ is killed, then embark and wait for caravan. No replacement.


B) Kill your liason/diplomat/whatever, wait for replacement.
Additional InformationThe thread: [^]
Tags0.31.06, liaison, liason, noble, nobles
Attached Files

- Relationships
has duplicate 0001162closedFootkerchief Dwarven Liason Not Replaced 
has duplicate 0001440closedFootkerchief Liaison died in one fortress, next fortress doesn't get one either 
related to 0000576confirmedFootkerchief Diplomat "Leaves Unhappily" if expedition leader dies 
related to 0002831resolvedToady One Human/elf diplomat uses Mountainhomes dialogue 
related to 0002892resolvedToady One Different liaison every year 

-  Notes
smjjames (reporter)
2010-04-13 14:42

Yea I saw one of those threads. I think it may have a connection with the other noble issues.

Toady himself said that the liasons are suppoused to be replaced now, so, something is wrong because he got it to work.
d4ftfad (reporter)
2010-04-14 04:25

Definitely not a world gen-only bug. Due to an incompetent military, my dwarven liason always dies within 2-3 years of embarking. There's never a replacement.
thvaz (reporter)
2010-04-14 06:39

Indeed, I thought they would bereplaceable. The funny thing it's that now most of the liasons are armed, but nonetheless they always die. With you liason dead, you will never get a baron.
smjjames (reporter)
2010-04-14 07:18

Maybe this should be marked as major because liasons are suppoused to be replaced and Toady said he got it to work, but now it doesn't for some reason.
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-14 09:02
edited on: 2010-04-14 09:03

Most of the non-crash non-typo issues have bogus severities so I doubt he's paying any attention to those, but okay.

monk12 (reporter)
2010-04-14 10:22

Sweet, now I don't have to try to kill off my own liason FOR SCIENCE!

Although I have yet to make it to year 3 in DF2010, which likely explains my dwarven liason's high survival rate. Current fort shows promise though!
Rafal99 (reporter)
2010-04-14 10:51

The humans I am trading with never came with any kind Liason or Guild Representative too...
foxbyte (reporter)
2010-05-12 01:42

Can confirm that, so far, my dwarven civ's liaison has not been replaced. I lost him at a siege at my previous fort, and my new fort in the same world has never seen a liaison.
Jiri Petru (reporter)
2010-05-26 14:42

By the way, it is possible to get a baron without a liaison?
sirbruce (reporter)
2010-06-19 01:02
edited on: 2010-06-19 01:05

Confirmed to still exist in 31.06 despite claims it's been fixed. My dwarven outpost liason has been dead for a few years, buried in my crypt, and still has not been replaced. The elvish outpost liason died due to an ambush as she was leaving (I think) and her body rotted away out in the wilderness.

Edit: The elves list no diplomat. The dwarves list a new liason but he has never appeared. The humans have no diplomat listed and I don't think they've ever sent one, either.

Jiri Petru (reporter)
2010-06-20 03:08

Can we please sticky this bug? It essentially makes a good portion of the gameplay - if you lose a liaison before getting a baron - unavailable.
hotspur95 (reporter)
2010-06-20 04:29

I am in the same situation. My liason died mysteriously in my first year, and 10 years later I've never seen a dwarf or human liason ever.
Version 04 to 07
smjjames (reporter)
2010-06-20 09:56

@Jiri Petru: I agree, and Toady himself had said that liasons are now suppoused to be replaced, but no idea when they stopped working. So, this one really needs to be fixed since he said it had worked (somehow I guess), but it doesn't currently.
monk12 (reporter)
2010-07-09 11:19

Confirming that problem persists in .09, as well as confirming that if you lose a liason in fortress, abandon it, and start a new fortress in the same civilization, there will still be no new liason.
smjjames (reporter)
2010-07-09 12:19

I think you mean .8, version 31.09 hasn't been released yet.
cephalo (reporter)
2010-07-12 16:31 [^]

Here is a save. My liason was killed, and my civ seems to have replaced him, however he never comes with the caravan.
Toady One (administrator)
2010-07-24 17:44

I think I've got this one working for 0.31.12.

- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
2010-04-13 14:27 monk12 New Issue
2010-04-13 14:42 smjjames Note Added: 0003331
2010-04-13 14:49 smjjames Tag Attached: liaison
2010-04-13 14:49 smjjames Tag Attached: liason
2010-04-13 14:49 smjjames Tag Attached: noble
2010-04-13 14:49 smjjames Tag Attached: nobles
2010-04-14 04:25 d4ftfad Note Added: 0003445
2010-04-14 06:39 thvaz Note Added: 0003452
2010-04-14 07:18 smjjames Note Added: 0003455
2010-04-14 09:02 Footkerchief Note Added: 0003478
2010-04-14 09:03 Footkerchief Severity minor => major
2010-04-14 09:03 Footkerchief Note Edited: 0003478 View Revisions
2010-04-14 10:22 monk12 Note Added: 0003502
2010-04-14 10:51 Rafal99 Note Added: 0003513
2010-04-14 14:28 Footkerchief Relationship added has duplicate 0001162
2010-04-14 14:28 Footkerchief Summary Liasons not replaced => Liaisons/diplomats not replaced
2010-04-22 18:46 Footkerchief Relationship added has duplicate 0001440
2010-05-12 01:42 foxbyte Note Added: 0006576
2010-05-26 12:38 Ametsala Issue Monitored: Ametsala
2010-05-26 14:42 Jiri Petru Note Added: 0007355
2010-06-19 00:59 sirbruce Tag Attached: 0.31.06
2010-06-19 01:02 sirbruce Note Added: 0008667
2010-06-19 01:05 sirbruce Note Edited: 0008667 View Revisions
2010-06-20 03:08 Jiri Petru Note Added: 0008757
2010-06-20 04:29 hotspur95 Note Added: 0008759
2010-06-20 09:56 smjjames Note Added: 0008784
2010-06-20 09:56 smjjames Issue Monitored: smjjames
2010-06-20 13:30 hotspur95 Issue Monitored: hotspur95
2010-06-28 20:59 dwattttt Issue Monitored: dwattttt
2010-07-09 11:19 monk12 Note Added: 0009834
2010-07-09 12:19 smjjames Note Added: 0009836
2010-07-09 17:53 Taranli Maren Issue Monitored: Taranli Maren
2010-07-12 16:31 cephalo Note Added: 0010080
2010-07-24 00:08 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0000576
2010-07-24 17:44 Toady One Note Added: 0010939
2010-07-24 17:44 Toady One Status new => resolved
2010-07-24 17:44 Toady One Fixed in Version => 0.31.12
2010-07-24 17:44 Toady One Resolution open => fixed
2010-07-24 17:44 Toady One Assigned To => Toady One
2010-07-24 17:51 smjjames Issue End Monitor: smjjames
2010-07-25 11:54 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0002831
2010-08-01 10:24 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0002892
2010-08-11 08:43 Taranli Maren Issue End Monitor: Taranli Maren

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