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IDProjectCategoryView StatusDate SubmittedLast Update
0001275Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Skills and Professionspublic2010-04-17 10:242018-12-03 08:08
Reporterking doom 
Assigned ToFootkerchief 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
StatusconfirmedResolutionopen 
PlatformOSOS Version
Product Version 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0001275: Dwarves refuse to butcher tame animals unless they're directly slaughtered
DescriptionNatural causes in this case being old age. Several farm animals have been merrily having offspring in my fort for years, providing a nice supply of food, till they died of old age. They were tame, had not been adopted as pets, had not killed an intruder and been named, they were bog standard cows. I can maybe understand the dwarves not butchering them for being too old and tough and gamey or something but that's a bit of a stretch. Thing is though, they wont even butcher the skeletons for the bones, they just spam need available unrotten corpses whenever I try to get them to take the skeletons apart and clean out my refuse heap.
Tagsbutcher, tame
Attached Files

- Relationships
has duplicate 0002425resolvedFootkerchief Tame animals that die from falls can't be butchered. 
related to 0000874new Dwarves refuse to butcher some corpses (buzzards in particular) 
related to 0000790resolvedFootkerchief Pet corpses never get buried 

-  Notes
(0003983)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-17 10:31

Do you have any burrows set up that could be preventing the job? If not, it might be helpful to upload a save where the corpses are lying around and not getting butchered. http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]
(0003984)
king doom (reporter)
2010-04-17 10:31
edited on: 2010-04-17 10:33

Oh, I forgot to mention, they only refuse to butcher animals that died of old age that were not locked up in a cage. I've had about a dozen wild crundles die of old age in cages after they ran into my traps, and those were automatically butchered with no problems. I don't have any burrows set up anywhere. The next time an animal dies of old age I'll upload the file, since the existing ones got marked for dumping and thrown into magma.

(0003985)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-17 10:51

Hmm... this might be the lingering ghost of an old bug.

# 000833 □ [dwarf mode][jobs][burial] (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=7579.0 [^]) the bodies of tame animals that weren't pets can't be buried or butchered, including work dogs
(0004006)
king doom (reporter)
2010-04-17 16:55

Okay, it happened, I have two dead animals in my refuse pit that died of old age (bought both from the elves) and a large amount of dead animals in cages I caught myself. The dead caged ones should automatically get butchered, the ones in the refuse heap the dwarves wont touch.

hopefully I've managed to get the save uploaded correctly, The only change I made, aside from a few in the init file was to add a trade capacity to warthogs to stop elves bringing hundreds of thousnads of items each spring. As an aside, aren't the animal spawns supposed to be infinite now? they should never stop appearing from the map edges? I think I saw that somewhere. If I wasn't imagining things, then there's another issue, since for the last two or three in game years nothing has spawned underground but a few pond grabbers, and aboveground only has a few dears a year. At the start of the game there were waves of 10 or so crundles every fifteen minutes. Anyways, save file is here:

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2139 [^]
(0004009)
smjjames (reporter)
2010-04-17 17:04

@Footkerchief: Yea its an old bug resurfacing. I've had stray animals die of old age and they aren't butchered in 40D
(0004028)
derigo (reporter)
2010-04-18 02:25

wasn't there a 'animals bought from elves can't be butchered' bug? yes here it is.

http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=482 [^]
(0004032)
GRead (reporter)
2010-04-18 02:56

This seems to happen with any tame animal that dies. I had a lucky werewolf off one of my grizzlies, and the dwarfs refused to butcher him.
(0004040)
Jimmy (reporter)
2010-04-18 05:25

Tame animals won't be butchered if they die of causes other than assigning them to butchery. This behavior's been around for many versions. Try chaining tame animals at the entrance of your fort and letting them get killed by goblins. The corpses are not butcherable.
Wild animals on the other hand are valid butchery targets due to any death. This is why hunting works.
This used to be controlled by the now removed [BUTCHERABLE_NONSTANDARD] tag.
(0008802)
hyndis (reporter)
2010-06-20 14:12

Seeing this as well. Tame animals can only be butchered if they are ordered to be butchered. If they die of old age, combat, or an unfortunate accident they can never be butchered. Saw the same behavior in 40D as in 31.XX.
(0008961)
Huggz (reporter)
2010-06-22 09:34

Makes it hard to have an automated meat industry...
(0008966)
hyndis (reporter)
2010-06-22 12:23

You might be able to rig in a custom reaction to do butcher the corpse regardless, but yeah, automated meat industries won't work because of this, and its not a new change with 31.XX.

If anyone does have that custom reaction to do it, I'd be interested in seeing their reaction. Just give it the [AUTOMATIC] token, have it trigger on a corpse, and you're good to go.
(0011759)
king doom (reporter)
2010-08-13 05:03

As a little extra, with this bug, once something dies of old age and the dwarves refuse to slaughter it, it rots to become a skeleton, and then remains a skeleton for the rest of time, taking up a square in your refuse pile forever.
(0011764)
kwieland (reporter)
2010-08-13 11:36

@kingdoom Use the atomizer [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Dwarven_atom_smasher [^] as explained here]
(0020189)
Syndic (reporter)
2012-02-19 17:24

bug seems to be still around as of v0.34.02. A wild animal killed an alpaca that I had on my pasture outside, and its corpse just rots around merrily on my refuse pile.
(0021146)
Gaboris (reporter)
2012-03-05 16:03

It sure is around. I looked up some reports on this, but I'm still not sure if this is a bug or just an uncleared function.

In my case I had several tamed animal that starved to death(this is my second fortress sooo...) and they got taken to the refuse pile right next to the butcher(as advised on the wiki) and the very second I gave the order to butcher them, but it brought up the "no unrotten remains" complaint the very second and this also applied to the leftover skeletons.

Problem is that this seems to somehow also apply to vermin that were killed by my pets. Maybe they are not full bodies anymore and that's the prob?

So the real question is if this is a real bug(then it needs a fix REAL badly) or just a function(then it only needs to be made clear so players can know).
(0021149)
ClayMuffin (reporter)
2012-03-05 16:37

Same here, experiencing the same problems.
(0021880)
shinziril (reporter)
2012-03-29 18:45

I've got a turkey corpse that died in a cage, causing the standard "needs unrotten corpse" spam. You'd think if they're not going to butcher it it'd at least not trigger the autobutcher function.
(0030144)
Dame de la Licorne (reporter)
2014-09-12 15:07

Still in .40.11. I have a "Stray Nanny Goat corpse" (the goat starved to death because it got stuck on a wall, probably as a result of 0003371, since there's no possible way it could have ended up there any other way) that my dwarves refuse to butcher, even when it's in a refuse stockpile set to give only to the butcher's shop. Stockpile, workshop and butcher are all in the same burrow.
(0030234)
tacomagic (reporter)
2014-09-17 12:44

Still present in 40.12.

Seems to affect all creatures that die of natural causes (old age and starvation) and some (but not all) skeletal remains.
(0030384)
Dame de la Licorne (reporter)
2014-09-26 11:02

Still present in 40.13.
(0033567)
Hedede (reporter)
2015-12-07 03:37

Still happens in 42.02.
(0034077)
tonren (reporter)
2015-12-20 14:40

Still present in 42.03
(0036106)
OluapPlayer (reporter)
2016-12-24 05:07

Still present in 43.05.
(0036231)
FantasticDorf (reporter)
2017-01-28 00:46
edited on: 2017-01-28 00:49

This behavior is caused by dead_dwarf=true which assigns the body & the objects (products if exploitatively butchered as extension of body) to be interred into a burial receptacle or remembered via a inscribed slab when it naturally dies/dies in combat, slaughtering doesn't activate dead_dwarf and allows meat industries to work

The corpses will be sorted into the graveyard (now named the corpses stockpile, not refuse/corpses) along with the intentional entity civil members to stop racial self-cannibalism & prepare the bodies (and unintentional sentients via 0009171 post 42.01) the graveyard does not outsource anything because it would interfere with retrieving body parts for burial, as soon as its queued up for the stockpile (products too) it is unusable.

(Information gathered from research conducted on this DF forum thread - http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=161408.msg7341491#msg7341491 [^] )

It's not really a bug, more a unsavory bug-fix to 0000790 that has been misinterpreted. But due to public demand, making a suggestion thread on the forums may help convince toady to offer more control over what happens.

(0038742)
HairyDude (reporter)
2018-08-25 20:30

This looks like the underlying cause of 0001180, and 0004459 looks similar.
(0038991)
king doom (reporter)
2018-12-03 08:08

Just confirming this is still present in 44.12

- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
2010-04-17 10:24 king doom New Issue
2010-04-17 10:30 Footkerchief Relationship added child of 0000874
2010-04-17 10:31 Footkerchief Note Added: 0003983
2010-04-17 10:31 king doom Note Added: 0003984
2010-04-17 10:33 king doom Note Edited: 0003984 View Revisions
2010-04-17 10:51 Footkerchief Note Added: 0003985
2010-04-17 16:55 king doom Note Added: 0004006
2010-04-17 17:04 smjjames Note Added: 0004009
2010-04-18 02:25 derigo Note Added: 0004028
2010-04-18 02:56 GRead Note Added: 0004032
2010-04-18 05:25 Jimmy Note Added: 0004040
2010-06-14 02:39 MrOblong Issue Monitored: MrOblong
2010-06-20 14:04 Threlicus Issue Monitored: Threlicus
2010-06-20 14:12 hyndis Note Added: 0008802
2010-06-22 09:20 Footkerchief Summary Dwarves refuse to butcher animals that died of natural causes. => Dwarves refuse to butcher tame animals unless they're directly slaughtered
2010-06-22 09:20 Footkerchief Relationship added has duplicate 0002425
2010-06-22 09:34 Huggz Note Added: 0008961
2010-06-22 12:23 hyndis Note Added: 0008966
2010-08-13 05:03 king doom Note Added: 0011759
2010-08-13 11:36 kwieland Note Added: 0011764
2010-09-20 05:09 Another Issue Monitored: Another
2010-09-20 05:10 Another Tag Attached: butcher
2010-09-20 05:10 Another Tag Attached: tame
2010-10-05 02:04 Vair Issue Monitored: Vair
2010-10-05 13:24 Shurikane Issue Monitored: Shurikane
2010-11-21 01:48 Alien Issue Monitored: Alien
2011-02-25 08:48 Footkerchief Relationship replaced related to 0000874
2011-03-02 11:37 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0004110
2011-07-28 10:09 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0000790
2011-07-28 10:09 Footkerchief Relationship deleted related to 0004110
2012-02-19 17:24 Syndic Note Added: 0020189
2012-03-05 16:03 Gaboris Note Added: 0021146
2012-03-05 16:04 Gaboris Issue Monitored: Gaboris
2012-03-05 16:37 ClayMuffin Note Added: 0021149
2012-03-05 19:53 zombiejustice Issue Monitored: zombiejustice
2012-03-27 04:07 Steb Issue Monitored: Steb
2012-03-27 06:05 Dame de la Licorne Issue Monitored: Dame de la Licorne
2012-03-29 18:45 shinziril Note Added: 0021880
2014-09-12 15:07 Dame de la Licorne Note Added: 0030144
2014-09-12 16:58 Footkerchief Assigned To => Footkerchief
2014-09-12 16:58 Footkerchief Status new => confirmed
2014-09-17 12:44 tacomagic Note Added: 0030234
2014-09-26 11:02 Dame de la Licorne Note Added: 0030384
2015-12-07 03:37 Hedede Note Added: 0033567
2015-12-07 03:39 Hedede Issue Monitored: Hedede
2015-12-20 14:40 tonren Note Added: 0034077
2015-12-21 12:07 Kirig Stonebeard I Issue Monitored: Kirig Stonebeard I
2015-12-21 13:43 braiam Issue Monitored: braiam
2016-12-24 05:07 OluapPlayer Note Added: 0036106
2017-01-28 00:46 FantasticDorf Note Added: 0036231
2017-01-28 00:49 FantasticDorf Note Edited: 0036231 View Revisions
2017-03-22 12:48 Button Issue Monitored: Button
2017-06-08 19:16 Huntthetroll Issue Monitored: Huntthetroll
2018-08-25 18:35 HairyDude Issue Monitored: HairyDude
2018-08-25 20:30 HairyDude Note Added: 0038742
2018-12-03 08:08 king doom Note Added: 0038991


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