0003059: Animals that are civ enemies can be tamed, but keep acting like enemies

Notes
(0011885) Logical2u (manager) 2010-08-18 04:34	If I recall correctly, some animals are not properly trainable, most often due to the fact that they killed someone. Were these animals at all vicious in their past lives as invader mounts?

(0011889) Quietust (reporter) 2010-08-18 07:28	The likely issue is that invader mounts are marked as members of the invader's civilization, so even when you tame them, they're still considered enemies of your civilization and are thus still hostile. Creatures that actually killed your dwarves get marked as civ enemies separately, resulting in the same end behavior.

(0011916) Syndic (reporter) 2010-08-19 04:15	They didn't get to kill anyone, so I'm guessing quietust is right. Either disabling the taming of "enemies" or making it so taming removes the enemy tag would work then, I guess

(0017132) kwieland (reporter) 2011-04-06 11:00 edited on: 2011-04-06 11:02	Syndic, I noticed the exact same thing. I trained a horse that hadn't killed anyone and it was still hostile. I think them having names makes a difference? Similar to you, I had a siege of human invaders and decided to make them wait for a while, so they camped out at the edge of the map like they normally do. I noticed a few strange things: 1. a goblin ambush happened after a month or two, with the humans "discovering" the goblins. One group of the goblins immediately attacked the humans while the other three could care less, simply intermingled. Don't know why that was. 2. Their mounts, the horses, were on my map for a while. So, they all had foals (five?)! Which, (maybe since they were born on the map?) were immediately killed by the invaders. 3. The horses were scared of the dwarfs (and the hostile goblins)! The horses would skit around and in general run back and forth until I filled them with arrows. At which point the rider would high tail it out of there. Can you imagine the chaos of a bunch of dwarfs chasing after humans on horses with a sprinkling of goblins in the mix? true DF fun! version .25

(0017655) DDR (reporter) 2011-05-07 18:47	I've got that problem, too.

(0021274) kwieland (reporter) 2012-03-08 14:51	Foot, this is one to watch with the new training updates...

(0021277) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-03-08 15:35	Yep, already dropped Toady a line about this issue, but I guess I'd better tag it too.

(0021358) Toady One (administrator) 2012-03-11 05:23	Tried to test this as best I could, and confirmed it removed the enemy links and that they were friendly after training. Can't be 100% sure because there are many moving parts.

(0024239) Syndic (reporter) 2013-12-21 20:36 edited on: 2013-12-21 20:42	Requesting reopening - I just tried taming invader mounts again in 34.11 - same behaviour as before. For a detailled description of what I did and why, see http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=134347.0 [^] Basic version: A tamed (invader mount, named) cave crocodile tries to destroy its restraint, DOES destroy a nest box in its pit, ignores its pasture and chases, attacks and interrupts dwarves. Save uploaded at http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8230 [^] - hotkey F5 jumps to the cave crocodile in question (Dang, the southern one of the two on screen. The other one is wild). It's behind a locked stone door, open it and you can watch it... ok, actually it just interrupts a mason and jumps right into a cage trap, at least when I tried. But I'm sure you can find a way to test the bug properly in a save that has a creature behaving buggily with it :) /edit: thought I should mention, this game was played with the lazy newb pack. but there's nothing in there I can think of that could possibly cause this, and since I witnessed the original bug with vanilla DF I'm fairly certain it's not LNP-caused ;)

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-08-18 03:27	Syndic	New Issue
2010-08-18 04:34	Logical2u	Note Added: 0011885
2010-08-18 07:28	Quietust	Note Added: 0011889
2010-08-19 04:15	Syndic	Note Added: 0011916
2011-04-06 11:00	kwieland	Note Added: 0017132
2011-04-06 11:00	kwieland	Issue Monitored: kwieland
2011-04-06 11:02	kwieland	Note Edited: 0017132	View Revisions
2011-04-29 07:37	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0004591
2011-05-07 18:47	DDR	Note Added: 0017655
2012-01-12 10:54	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	related to 0004591
2012-03-07 08:30	Footkerchief	Summary	invaders' mounts are tameable, but seem to act like wild animals after taming => Animals that are civ enemies (invaders or just attacked a dwarf) can be tamed, but keep acting like enemies
2012-03-07 08:30	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	has duplicate 0004591
2012-03-07 08:30	Footkerchief	Summary	Animals that are civ enemies (invaders or just attacked a dwarf) can be tamed, but keep acting like enemies => Animals that are civ enemies can be tamed, but keep acting like enemies
2012-03-07 08:32	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Toady One
2012-03-08 14:51	kwieland	Note Added: 0021274
2012-03-08 15:35	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0021277
2012-03-08 15:35	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: Fixed in 0.34.06?
2012-03-11 05:23	Toady One	Note Added: 0021358
2012-03-11 05:23	Toady One	Status	new => resolved
2012-03-11 05:23	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> Next Version
2012-03-11 05:23	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2012-03-11 05:23	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2012-03-11 09:48	Dwarfu	Tag Detached: Fixed in 0.34.06?
2012-03-11 18:40	kwieland	Issue End Monitor: kwieland
2013-12-21 20:36	Syndic	Note Added: 0024239
2013-12-21 20:36	Syndic	Status	resolved => needs feedback
2013-12-21 20:36	Syndic	Resolution	fixed => reopened
2013-12-21 20:36	Syndic	Note Edited: 0024239	View Revisions
2013-12-21 20:40	Syndic	Issue Monitored: Syndic
2013-12-21 20:42	Syndic	Note Edited: 0024239	View Revisions
2014-02-04 12:53	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0005728
2014-06-05 09:30	Footkerchief	Status	needs feedback => acknowledged
2018-04-16 10:49	Huntthetroll	Issue Monitored: Huntthetroll