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|0003100||Dwarf Fortress||Dwarf Mode -- Military||public||2010-08-24 19:59||2014-07-23 11:47|
|Assigned To||Toady One|
|Target Version||Fixed in Version||0.40.05|
|Summary||0003100: Military dwarves turn off all of their labors when becoming heroes|
|Description||When a military dwarf gains enough combat skill to become a Hero (i.e. axe lord, swordmaster, mace lord, hammer lord, spearmaster, elite marksdwarf, or elite wrestler), all of his/her labors are immediately turned off.|
This is likely an artifact of behavior from previous versions, when weapon masters were permanently locked into the military. Now that they can freely switch back to being civilians, it doesn't make sense for this to happen anymore.
I noticed in my most recent fortress (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3243 [^]) that work was gradually grinding to a halt, and after some observation I've come to conclude that it is as a result of this issue - most of the dwarves are rotated in and out of the military and have extremely high weapon skills, and so all labours are disabled on their part upon being rotated into the military and subsequently stay off.
It is extremely aggravating - I have to keep an even closer eye on everyone than usual to make sure that they're doing the work they're supposed to be doing.
|I noticed this as well. What I didn't notice was an announcement. Do you get an announcement (like 40d) when this happens? Or just when they reach Elite status?|
|The announcement is just "Urist has become an Axe Lord" or whatever military profession they switched to.|
Ogg the Blinky Sock (reporter)
|Actually, this seems to happen, intermittently, to other military dwarves. I haven't figured out what the pattern is yet. It's possible that it's something that happens to dwarves who are legendary in other skills.|
edited on: 2010-12-20 12:25
Every time I get a white announcement about " x dwarf has become (any millitary profession) " and that dwarf is flashing ( legendary in any fighting skill ) that dwarf loses all assigned jobs, always.
I re-put his jobs in, he finishes his tour of duty, the jobs are still there.
Whenever he gets back into active duty, as mentioned above, he will lose all assigned jobs again.
Very annoying ><
|Still exists in .25 I still haven't seen the announcement, though. It could be that mine are only to the GREAT level in fighting, and so they don't become "lords". I don't know why.|
|kwieland: reaching Great skill is all it takes for a soldier to become a weapon master.|
|I agree with Rage above, this can be a very annoying bug. Basically you have to decide if you want them in Military or not. Switching between them is a PITA!|
|Kogut: "use a third party utility" isn't exactly a proper solution to this problem...|
|but it may be useful workaround.|
edited on: 2012-02-21 18:39
This issue persists in 34.02. Very bad when trying to run a fort with a citizen militia instead of a dedicated army, because it turns off all jobs constantly.
My fortress has four adult dwarves. They're all in a military squad together with two on duty at a time.
I followed the dwarves' assigned jobs while they were going on and off duty. There's frequently a lag time between a dwarf going on duty and being recognised as a weapon master - they'll go on duty as an Axedwarf, for instance, despite their legendary skill, then after a while the game will realise they're meant to be an Axelord and they'll switch to that.
Their job preferences withstand going on and off duty (and whenever they're placed on active duty, it's as the non-master variant) but the three weapon masters lose all their job preferences when the game remembers they're weapon masters and updates their status accordingly. I haven't seen them lose their job preferences at any other time, and occasionally they have very short spans of duty where they can come on, train for a short while and then go off duty again without getting promoted and subsequently losing their job settings.
The critical part is that the "promotion" happens repeatedly for the same dwarf, because they lose their weapon master status whenever they go off-duty, resulting in this bug wiping their labour settings over and over.
This is a pretty major issue if you're trying to run a citizen militia (rare as that seems to be) and looks like it might be easy to fix.
edit: Hyndis suggested that the promotion lag might be because they get "promoted" when they increase in skill. That would make a lot of sense! So they go on duty as non-heroes, then their first skill level increase triggers a promotion check, which passes and wipes their job settings. Sounds plausible!
|Still present in .07.|
edited on: 2012-06-26 17:59
The following binary patches should fix this issue in Win32 v0.34.11 SDL:
0x6633BD : 5E -> 00 (Axe Lord)
0x6634B9 : 5E -> 00 (Spearmaster)
0x6635B8 : 5E -> 00 (Mace Lord)
0x6636B8 : 5E -> 00 (Hammer Lord)
0x6637B8 : 5E -> 00 (Swordmaster)
0x6638B8 : 5E -> 00 (Elite Crossbowman)
0x6639B8 : 5E -> 00 (Elite Bowman)
0x663B04 : E8 7F 48 12 00 -> 90 90 90 90 90 (Master Blowgunner)
0x663BEB : 5E -> 00 (Master Lasher)
0x663CE8 : 5E -> 00 (Pikemaster)
0x663DFD : 5E -> 00 (Elite Wrestler)
Each patch changes call from "memset(unit->labors, 0, 94);" to "memset(unit->labors, 0, 0);" (except for the Master Blowgunner case which just removes the call altogether since the number 94 also means "Master Blowgunner").
|2010-08-24 19:59||Quietust||New Issue|
|2010-10-09 00:03||sgrunt||Note Added: 0013273|
|2010-10-09 07:37||kwieland||Note Added: 0013274|
|2010-10-09 09:04||Quietust||Note Added: 0013276|
|2010-10-09 22:08||sgrunt||Issue Monitored: sgrunt|
|2010-11-05 07:20||Logical2u||Relationship added||has duplicate 0003511|
|2010-12-05 17:32||hyperactiveChipmunk||Issue Monitored: hyperactiveChipmunk|
|2010-12-05 21:09||Ogg the Blinky Sock||Note Added: 0014422|
|2010-12-18 10:17||RageandTears||Note Added: 0014621|
|2010-12-18 10:19||RageandTears||Issue Monitored: RageandTears|
|2010-12-20 12:25||RageandTears||Note Edited: 0014621||View Revisions|
|2011-04-01 13:06||Footkerchief||Relationship added||related to 0000872|
|2011-04-07 22:32||kwieland||Note Added: 0017188|
|2011-04-08 05:49||Quietust||Note Added: 0017195|
|2011-04-23 07:05||kwieland||Note Added: 0017485|
|2011-04-23 08:21||Kogut||Note Added: 0017486|
|2011-04-23 09:04||Quietust||Note Added: 0017487|
|2011-04-23 23:53||Kogut||Note Added: 0017492|
|2011-05-24 07:35||Justiceface||Issue Monitored: Justiceface|
|2011-08-01 08:22||Knight Otu||Relationship added||has duplicate 0003227|
|2012-02-21 18:19||yllamana||Note Added: 0020426|
|2012-02-21 18:34||yllamana||Issue Monitored: yllamana|
|2012-02-21 18:39||yllamana||Note Edited: 0020426||View Revisions|
|2012-04-03 07:40||AbuDhabi||Note Added: 0022049|
|2012-06-26 17:33||Quietust||Note Added: 0023111|
|2012-06-26 17:33||Quietust||Tag Attached: binary patch|
|2012-06-26 17:35||Quietust||Note Edited: 0023111||View Revisions|
|2012-06-26 17:59||Quietust||Note Edited: 0023111||View Revisions|
|2014-01-15 14:41||Kirig Stonebeard II||Issue Monitored: Kirig Stonebeard II|
|2014-01-17 10:09||Kirig Stonebeard||Issue Monitored: Kirig Stonebeard|
|2014-03-25 13:31||Dwarfu||Assigned To||=> Dwarfu|
|2014-03-25 13:31||Dwarfu||Status||new => acknowledged|
|2014-07-23 11:47||Toady One||Status||acknowledged => resolved|
|2014-07-23 11:47||Toady One||Fixed in Version||=> Next Version|
|2014-07-23 11:47||Toady One||Resolution||open => fixed|
|2014-07-23 11:47||Toady One||Assigned To||Dwarfu => Toady One|
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