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0000048Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Tradepublic2010-04-01 16:542014-07-23 15:04
Assigned ToToady One 
PrioritylowSeverityminorReproducibilityhave not tried
PlatformXPS M1730 LaptopOSWindows Vista Home PremiumOS VersionSP2
Product Version 
Target VersionFixed in Version0.40.05 
Summary0000048: Elves bring tame tigermen in cages because they have [PET] and [PETVALUE:x]
DescriptionElves brought "Afe Vacinedu, Stray Tigerman Woodcrafter (Tame)" to trade.
Steps To ReproduceReceive elf caravan. Scroll through cages to see if they brought one.
Additional InformationThese lesser beings may or may not be tamable - but to be brought by the elves in some sort of slave trade? Not sure about that.

This may be as intended.
Tagspet, Probable Quick Fix, trade
Attached Files

- Relationships
parent of 0001442resolvedToady One Trading for tame humanoid causes crash when opening military screen 

-  Notes
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-01 17:59

elves bringing sentient slaves? I just can't see it. I'd expect that from the humans, but not the elves. But who knows.
Criptfeind (reporter)
2010-04-02 08:34

This almost seems like it is supost to happen.
dree12 (reporter)
2010-04-03 12:00

Elves have [ETHIC:SLAVERY:PUNISH_EXILE] so it isn't intended.
Urist Imiknorris (reporter)
2010-04-03 16:06

Are we sure this needs fixing?
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-03 16:40

I wouldn't call it priority, but I think it's a bug yes.
MaDeR Levap (reporter)
2010-04-03 16:54

Yes, at least it should be in agreement with ethics of given civilization/race.
Kumquat (reporter)
2010-04-12 14:03

Looking at raws (c_variation_default), it looks like animalman template removes [PET_EXOTIC] but not [PET] or [MOUNT_EXOTIC]. Perhaps the elves 'think' they are selling tigerman mounts?

Likewise giant template removes [PET_EXOTIC] but not [MOUNT_EXOTIC], which sounds like giant variations are not supposed to be tamable.
Draco18s (reporter)
2010-04-12 14:59

@Kumquat: (Giant) Bear Cavalry [^]
Flaede (reporter)
2010-05-05 02:41

They're TAME tigermen. Pets.
Very odd, either way. They don't show up in the animals screen. Come to think of it, none of the exotics do.
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-05-05 09:24

Flaede: that's 0000482.
tatterdemalian (reporter)
2010-05-05 18:10

That would be cool if elves kept sentients as slaves, but would pitch a fit if your dwarves have non-sentient pets. They're supposed to be Dwarf Fortress's equivalent of PETA, right?
Knight Of Our Lady (reporter)
2010-05-06 06:40

Another user reports: his dwarf became depressed after a battle with goblins and was put into a cage and chained. While encaged, he became Tame Animal and is now refusing to come out of the cage, which makes it impossible to get him to put off his full plate armor and weapons. They tried to starve him, but it does not work.
thranguy (reporter)
2010-05-28 14:30

If you buy these tigermen, you can appoint them to noble offices, which doesn't seem right...
dree12 (reporter)
2010-06-01 16:33

The tigermen ARE intelligent. Maybe try removing [PET]? To me it doesn't make sense raising intelligent beings as pets. But elves are elves...
Baughn (manager)
2010-08-02 12:18

Humans have been known to raise humans as pets. In real life, too.

It isn't pretty, but it's definitely *possible*.
GauHelldragon (reporter)
2010-09-17 08:34

I've caught tigermen myself and was able to tame them, without a dungeon master even. They require water to live, and will die of dehydration if you leave them in a cage. I haven't spotted one eating, but they might do that as well. They otherwise act like stray animals.

I have noticed one go out and fight a wild tigerman. It managed to defeat it and gained a couple of combat skills as well.
slink (reporter)
2011-02-15 15:40

Still here in 31.18. They die of thirst in cages, and also die of thirst at liberty. I just had one die of thirst in the meeting area. There is plenty of booze available, and also a perfectly good well. There are barrels of milk, too, but I suppose tigermen don't lap milk. ;D
Hieronymous Alloy (reporter)
2011-02-15 21:02

Tigermen can't use wells if they're more than a tile up from the water. I suspect they're unable to lower and raise the bucket.
Ogg the Blinky Sock (reporter)
2011-02-16 04:50

Calvin Urdimkir cancels Open Can of Tuna: interrupted by Tigerman.
Quietust (reporter)
2011-02-16 08:02

The tigerman well problem is probably because they aren't actually using the well - they're just drinking from what they think is the shore of a pool/river.
Kumquat (reporter)
2011-02-16 08:26

I have had a bunch of tigermen (caught with cage traps) alive and thriving in my fort a good while. They do eat - mostly meat, it would seem - and drink from the brook that runs through the walls.

I had to confine them to a burrow because otherwise they usually wanted to go and drink from the leftmost spot of the brook. This may be a bug or a misfeature.
Logical2u (manager)
2011-02-16 08:27

Is this still happening in 31.19?
Dwarfu (manager)
2011-02-19 15:37

I haven't observed it, but the raws for tigermen still contain a [PETVALUE:x] and [PET] tag, which seemed to be the source of the problem.
Dwarfu (manager)
2011-04-02 13:29

flieroflight reported this as still happening on the forums: [^]
king doom (reporter)
2011-04-07 07:41

I can confirm the elves are still filthy pointy eared slavetraders in the newest version of DF (31.25)
Dwarfu (manager)
2013-03-03 22:26

This seems to be particular to tigermen, as they are a single entry and don't make use of the animal man creature variation.

The missing tags from that variation and the GIANT one that Kumquat mentioned were previously corrected, but tigermen still have the [PET] and [PETVALUE:x] tags.
SirPenguin (reporter)
2014-07-11 17:56

Tigermen still have the [PET] and [PETVALUE:x] tags as of 40.02

- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
2010-04-01 16:54 Dwarfu New Issue
2010-04-01 17:59 DoctorZuber Note Added: 0000050
2010-04-02 06:16 Todestool Tag Attached: trade
2010-04-02 08:34 Criptfeind Note Added: 0000186
2010-04-03 12:00 dree12 Note Added: 0000612
2010-04-03 16:06 Urist Imiknorris Note Added: 0000700
2010-04-03 16:40 DoctorZuber Note Added: 0000709
2010-04-03 16:54 MaDeR Levap Note Added: 0000714
2010-04-12 14:03 Kumquat Note Added: 0003120
2010-04-12 14:59 Draco18s Note Added: 0003129
2010-04-14 16:09 simrobert Issue Monitored: simrobert
2010-04-14 16:49 strangething Tag Attached: pet
2010-04-22 18:29 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0001442
2010-04-29 13:38 Footkerchief Category General => Dwarf Mode -- Trade
2010-05-05 02:41 Flaede Note Added: 0006159
2010-05-05 09:24 Footkerchief Note Added: 0006180
2010-05-05 18:10 tatterdemalian Note Added: 0006223
2010-05-06 06:40 Knight Of Our Lady Note Added: 0006265
2010-05-28 14:30 thranguy Note Added: 0007437
2010-06-01 16:33 dree12 Note Added: 0007543
2010-08-02 12:18 Baughn Note Added: 0011408
2010-09-17 08:34 GauHelldragon Note Added: 0012753
2011-02-15 15:40 slink Note Added: 0015110
2011-02-15 21:02 Hieronymous Alloy Note Added: 0015111
2011-02-16 04:50 Ogg the Blinky Sock Note Added: 0015112
2011-02-16 07:26 Hieronymous Alloy Issue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy
2011-02-16 08:02 Quietust Note Added: 0015113
2011-02-16 08:26 Kumquat Note Added: 0015114
2011-02-16 08:27 Logical2u Note Added: 0015115
2011-02-19 15:37 Dwarfu Note Added: 0015291
2011-04-02 13:29 Dwarfu Note Added: 0016989
2011-04-07 07:41 king doom Note Added: 0017158
2012-01-23 12:37 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0004103
2012-01-23 12:38 Footkerchief Relationship deleted related to 0004103
2012-03-12 07:27 Footkerchief Issue Monitored: Toady One
2013-03-03 22:26 Dwarfu Note Added: 0023866
2014-01-26 09:15 Footkerchief Summary Elves bring tame sentients in cages => Elves bring tame tigermen in cages because they have [PET] and [PETVALUE:x]
2014-01-26 09:16 Footkerchief Tag Attached: Probable Quick Fix
2014-07-11 17:56 SirPenguin Note Added: 0025884
2014-07-23 15:04 Toady One Status new => resolved
2014-07-23 15:04 Toady One Fixed in Version => Next Version
2014-07-23 15:04 Toady One Resolution open => fixed
2014-07-23 15:04 Toady One Assigned To => Toady One

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