0000512: Dwarfs do not use bins - Dwarf Fortress Bug Tracker

(0001194)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-05 13:35
edited on: 2010-04-05 13:35

Did the bug continue after a save/load? If so, it might be helpful if you upload a save demonstrating the problem. http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0001972)
Sethwick (reporter)
2010-04-08 00:22

Here is the save file http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2029 [^]

The glitch may have started occurring in a new fortress. This one, unlike the uploaded one, used bins fine for the first several years. I'll have to see if it's a glitch or dwarfs just haven't placed bins for a while due to business.

(0003037)
Langdon (reporter)
2010-04-12 07:05

Have you at any point gone to the o(r)ders menu and turned off furniture hauling?

I accidentally did so on my current fort, and even if I turned it on later, now my dwarves don't haul bins to my finished goods stockpile (although they do use bins correctly on the stone block stockpile, and the ash/potash/pearlash stockpile)

(0003382)
crafty_barnardo (reporter)
2010-04-13 20:33

I'm having the same problem: lots of empty bins, lots of stuff waiting to be stored. All my stockpiles are set to take bins, and I have dwarves with nothing to do that could hall it. I do have one bin that contains some stuff that came in with the initial expedition (but I'm not sure if the bin itself came with the expedition).

(0003408)
Kumquat (reporter)
2010-04-13 22:58

I noticed that at one point dorfs stopped using wooden bins at a finished goods stockpile which I set to take only rock items (mass-produced rock crafts for trading), but that may be semi-intentional.

(0004511)
Termy (reporter)
2010-04-21 15:11

I too have just had this bug. They started off using bins, then at some point suddenly refused to use them any more. I've checked all the settings, and it persists over saves. The only thing I can think of that caused it was deleting and changing stockpiles - I deleted a finished goods stockpile and later replaced it with a weapons stockpile. I noticed a dorf putting a large gem into an unmoved FG bin on that stockpile much later.

(0004584)
ercdvs (reporter)
2010-04-22 06:20

I can't quite confirm, unless its just specific goods. My dwarf made crafts are stored in bins, as well as cloth, leather, weapons, armor, etc. Even crutches and such end up in finished goods bins.

All my games have been appearing to work properly

(0005707)
vatek (reporter)
2010-04-29 14:52
edited on: 2010-04-29 19:40

I can confirm this. I have about a dozen bins in my furniture stockpile and a lot of rock blocks, charcoal and metal bars ready for binning elsewhere in my fortress and my dwarves refuse to use the bins.

EDIT: Found a possible cause, user error. Hit (p) and check the reserved bin setting. Mine was set to 20 by accident, once I reduced it dwarves began using bins as normal.

(0006346)
Jiri Petru (reporter)
2010-05-07 03:53

This is happening to me too. My stockpiles use bins/barrels up to a certain point after that they stop. My food, armor, cloth and crafts stockpiles are currently have this issue. I have a lot of unused bins and barrels sitting in furniture stockpiles, and I made sure no square of a stockpile is inaccessible (as per 0000795).

I can provide a save, if you want me to.

(0006363)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-05-07 10:27

Jiri: the save might be helpful. Thanks for clarifying that it's not 0000795.

(0006517)
Jiri Petru (reporter)
2010-05-10 16:26

My save might actually not be that helpful, since I have a post-reclaim fortress that is ridden by reclaim bugs and bogged down by hauling tasks. I can't be certain this is not just a priority issue, and that they wouldn't use bins in the end. But after several game years, I do feel it's a bug.

I wouldn't be suprised though if this was something along the lines of 0000863. I imagine dwarves trying to use a bugged barrel or bin (I have several scattered around the fortress), failing and trying again, thus never proceeding to try a different barrel. Just a wild guess, though.

(0010427)
Dwarfu (manager)
2010-07-16 09:16

Has anyone seen this issue recently?

This could be a case for "Does not reproduce."

(0010429)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-07-16 09:24

Reminder sent to: Sethwick

Sethwick, does your save still have this problem in 31.10?

(0010454)
Sethwick (reporter)
2010-07-16 16:44

It has not happened in 31.10, no.

(0010456)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-07-16 17:51

Okay, we'll close it for now, then. Feel free to reopen this (or PM me on the forums) if it shows up again.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-05 13:17	Sethwick	New Issue
2010-04-05 13:33	Qloos	Tag Attached: stockpile
2010-04-05 13:33	Qloos	Tag Attached: bins
2010-04-05 13:35	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0001194
2010-04-05 13:35	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0001194	View Revisions
2010-04-05 21:06	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0000562
2010-04-08 00:22	Sethwick	Note Added: 0001972
2010-04-12 07:05	Langdon	Note Added: 0003037
2010-04-12 09:03	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0001042
2010-04-13 20:29	crafty_barnardo	Issue Monitored: crafty_barnardo
2010-04-13 20:33	crafty_barnardo	Note Added: 0003382
2010-04-13 22:58	Kumquat	Note Added: 0003408
2010-04-21 15:11	Termy	Note Added: 0004511
2010-04-22 06:20	ercdvs	Note Added: 0004584
2010-04-29 14:52	vatek	Note Added: 0005707
2010-04-29 19:38	vatek	Note Edited: 0005707	View Revisions
2010-04-29 19:40	vatek	Note Edited: 0005707	View Revisions
2010-05-07 03:53	Jiri Petru	Note Added: 0006346
2010-05-07 03:53	Jiri Petru	Issue Monitored: Jiri Petru
2010-05-07 10:27	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0006363
2010-05-10 16:26	Jiri Petru	Note Added: 0006517
2010-07-16 09:16	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0010427
2010-07-16 09:16	Dwarfu	Issue Monitored: Dwarfu
2010-07-16 09:23	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2010-07-16 09:24	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0010429
2010-07-16 16:44	Sethwick	Note Added: 0010454
2010-07-16 17:51	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0010456
2010-07-16 17:51	Footkerchief	Status	new => resolved
2010-07-16 17:51	Footkerchief	Resolution	open => unable to reproduce
2010-07-16 17:51	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2010-07-16 18:44	Dwarfu	Issue End Monitor: Dwarfu
2010-08-10 00:10	Dwarfu	Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE

Notes
(0001194) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-05 13:35 edited on: 2010-04-05 13:35	Did the bug continue after a save/load? If so, it might be helpful if you upload a save demonstrating the problem. http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0001972) Sethwick (reporter) 2010-04-08 00:22	Here is the save file http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2029 [^] The glitch may have started occurring in a new fortress. This one, unlike the uploaded one, used bins fine for the first several years. I'll have to see if it's a glitch or dwarfs just haven't placed bins for a while due to business.

(0003037) Langdon (reporter) 2010-04-12 07:05	Have you at any point gone to the o(r)ders menu and turned off furniture hauling? I accidentally did so on my current fort, and even if I turned it on later, now my dwarves don't haul bins to my finished goods stockpile (although they do use bins correctly on the stone block stockpile, and the ash/potash/pearlash stockpile)

(0003382) crafty_barnardo (reporter) 2010-04-13 20:33	I'm having the same problem: lots of empty bins, lots of stuff waiting to be stored. All my stockpiles are set to take bins, and I have dwarves with nothing to do that could hall it. I do have one bin that contains some stuff that came in with the initial expedition (but I'm not sure if the bin itself came with the expedition).

(0003408) Kumquat (reporter) 2010-04-13 22:58	I noticed that at one point dorfs stopped using wooden bins at a finished goods stockpile which I set to take only rock items (mass-produced rock crafts for trading), but that may be semi-intentional.

(0004511) Termy (reporter) 2010-04-21 15:11	I too have just had this bug. They started off using bins, then at some point suddenly refused to use them any more. I've checked all the settings, and it persists over saves. The only thing I can think of that caused it was deleting and changing stockpiles - I deleted a finished goods stockpile and later replaced it with a weapons stockpile. I noticed a dorf putting a large gem into an unmoved FG bin on that stockpile much later.

(0004584) ercdvs (reporter) 2010-04-22 06:20	I can't quite confirm, unless its just specific goods. My dwarf made crafts are stored in bins, as well as cloth, leather, weapons, armor, etc. Even crutches and such end up in finished goods bins. All my games have been appearing to work properly

(0005707) vatek (reporter) 2010-04-29 14:52 edited on: 2010-04-29 19:40	I can confirm this. I have about a dozen bins in my furniture stockpile and a lot of rock blocks, charcoal and metal bars ready for binning elsewhere in my fortress and my dwarves refuse to use the bins. EDIT: Found a possible cause, user error. Hit (p) and check the reserved bin setting. Mine was set to 20 by accident, once I reduced it dwarves began using bins as normal.

(0006346) Jiri Petru (reporter) 2010-05-07 03:53	This is happening to me too. My stockpiles use bins/barrels up to a certain point after that they stop. My food, armor, cloth and crafts stockpiles are currently have this issue. I have a lot of unused bins and barrels sitting in furniture stockpiles, and I made sure no square of a stockpile is inaccessible (as per 0000795). I can provide a save, if you want me to.

(0006363) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-05-07 10:27	Jiri: the save might be helpful. Thanks for clarifying that it's not 0000795.

(0006517) Jiri Petru (reporter) 2010-05-10 16:26	My save might actually not be that helpful, since I have a post-reclaim fortress that is ridden by reclaim bugs and bogged down by hauling tasks. I can't be certain this is not just a priority issue, and that they wouldn't use bins in the end. But after several game years, I do feel it's a bug. I wouldn't be suprised though if this was something along the lines of 0000863. I imagine dwarves trying to use a bugged barrel or bin (I have several scattered around the fortress), failing and trying again, thus never proceeding to try a different barrel. Just a wild guess, though.

(0010427) Dwarfu (manager) 2010-07-16 09:16	Has anyone seen this issue recently? This could be a case for "Does not reproduce."

(0010429) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-07-16 09:24	Reminder sent to: Sethwick Sethwick, does your save still have this problem in 31.10?

(0010454) Sethwick (reporter) 2010-07-16 16:44	It has not happened in 31.10, no.

(0010456) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-07-16 17:51	Okay, we'll close it for now, then. Feel free to reopen this (or PM me on the forums) if it shows up again.