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IDProjectCategoryView StatusDate SubmittedLast Update
0000681Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Jobs, Healthcarepublic2010-04-06 18:452012-03-17 07:12
Assigned ToToady One 
PlatformWINEOSLinuxOS Version2.6.33
Product Version0.31.01 
Target VersionFixed in Version0.31.22 
Summary0000681: Legless/footless dwarfs are ignored by healthcare
DescriptionAny dwarf that lost his lower limbs completely is left on his own, even if moved to hospital.
Health status shows that no treatment needed, but 'standing ability is lost'.
They should at least get crutches to walk, right?
Steps To Reproduce1. Sever off leg or foot of any dwarf
2. Watch him lying in hospital for many years, doing nothing
Tags0.31.08, 0.31.13, 0.31.21, diagnosis, wounds
Attached Files

- Relationships
related to 0000309confirmedDwarfu Injured dwarves won't/can't rest 
has duplicate 0000730resolvedToady One Injured dwarf never carried to hospital 
has duplicate 0002373resolvedDwarfu Dwarf with nerve damage in leg never gets crutch, stays in bed forever 
has duplicate 0002935resolvedToady One Immobile injured dwarf left to rest on floor 
has duplicate 0003193resolvedFootkerchief Dwarves rarely heal 
related to 0002437resolvedToady One Immobilized injured dwarfs are not rescued if not unconscious 
related to 0000459resolvedToady One Webbed injured dwarf unable to rest and thus cannot be diagnosed/hospitalised 
related to 0000094confirmedToady One Injured dwarves not recovered, ignored by doctors, and/or don't get food/water 

-  Notes
Kataklistika (reporter)
2010-04-06 23:17

I had a similar thing happen to my dwarf except she lost her left forearm and left hand instead. She never needed medical attention or rest. After the fight, during which it was lopped off, she picked up work as if nothing happened. She can't grasp anything with that hand but that doesn't seem to slow her masonry work down any.
Vince (reporter)
2010-04-09 02:56

I can confirm this, my dwarf has severed nerves but gets no crutch assigned.
SirPenguin (reporter)
2010-04-09 21:56

I'd like to also confirm this. The worst part of this bug is that the dwarf in question is caught in limbo - they will forever "Rest", but because the doctor thinks he did everything he could he'll never look at them again.
Jiri Petru (reporter)
2010-05-06 16:13
edited on: 2010-05-06 16:14

I have a dwarf that lost the ability to stand because of a fractured foot. He's already been treated, the leg is immobilised and everything, now he has no treatment scheduled, but still has "ability to stand lost".

He has not recieved a crutch and is lying down in the hospital, doing "No job". He can be drafted and issued orders, like "station" or "defend burrows" and will actually try to follow them, but he keeps lying on the spot.

I doubt they will feed him...

MaXMC (reporter)
2010-06-22 08:19

My Expedition leader was a part of my primary defense group and got his right hand ripped of by a Draltha... Now it just says "Ability to grasp somewhat impaired". No wounds are present although you'd think that the stub of the right arm would need cleaning, stitches and dressing?

No evaluated wounds and no diagnosis required.
Briggs (reporter)
2010-07-02 02:49

Confirmed again as well. I'm having the same issue after one of my military dwarves had his left foot lopped off by a Kobold. He now sits in the hospital Resting, no further treatment or diagnosis scheduled.
toybasher (reporter)
2010-07-02 08:33

My guess is its releated to how Toady removed Phantom Pains, he just made it so a severed foot (dark grey) actually vanishes from the dwarf's wound menu

Strange way of doing it but I guess the doctor gets confused (His leg isnt listed as dark grey, its missing from his wounds screen entirly, he must not be born with a leg, nothing wrong) <- What the doctor thinks.
toybasher (reporter)
2010-07-03 10:51

Well, when ordering a wrestler and hammerman to attack a squad a grizzly bear shook him around and tore both nerves in his foot (see? I told you shaking severs nerves too easily) Now hes just in hospital as I type getting treated, his health screen says NOTHING about crutches.
Creidieki (reporter)
2010-07-07 14:20

I don't know whether a save after the diagnosis is very helpful, but [^]
has two dwarfs who have been bedbound for several years. They're in the beds in the silty-clay room to the west of the starting cursor. (One of them is flashing with a red +; they both have the title "WOUNDED").

Neither of two dwarfs can walk. They both received medical treatment while there were plenty of crutches available (both in boxes in the hospital they were in *and* in bins outside the hospital).

A save file during/before the diagnosis of someone who ends up with this problem would probably be helpful, if anyone ends up with one.
JimboOmega (reporter)
2010-07-29 06:10
edited on: 2010-07-29 06:15

In my experience dwarves can get stuck in the hospital forever if they get an infection anywhere - it seems to stop any further treatment, even if the infection is recovered from?

I'm not sure but I have wounded dwarves who have spent years in the hospital, never getting better, occasionally getting infected. I even had a child grow to adult status, having been injured as a kid and never getting better or getting treatment, even though other dwarves have received all possible treatements (even casting, by some miracle) and there are dwarves with all healthcare choices enabled with "No Job".

Another dwarf lost a hand but his arm and shoulder were never treated - he went on to be a pretty productive miner anyway until a cave in, after which no doctor will treat him and he is bedridden with lots of red injuries.

The only thing I can see in common is that both were infected at one point. I think the kid got infected while a doctor was at a well....

weaselboy246 (reporter)
2010-08-03 04:53

I have a dwarf that is still in the hospital with a missing lower right leg, and broken hip. Been that for maybe half a year. Gets fed as usual. No treatment. However, had something odd happen. Got a strange mood. He walked, with 1 leg, over to jewelers and made an artifact, then went back to the hospital.
albinocaveslug (reporter)
2010-08-04 10:48

I'm having the same problem for a dwarf with nerve damage in his leg in 31.12. Never had an infection that I saw, but has never been given a crutch. It seems my hospital doesn't stock them, despite a crutch stockpile inside the hospital. (My attempt to force the issue.) At this point the dwarf is showing no injuries in his thoughts. I might just have to find a way to injure him and see if that restarts the process for him.
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-08-04 11:57

albinocaveslug, it would be helpful to upload a save demonstrating that problem to [^]
behbehr (reporter)
2010-08-28 09:14 [^]
this may be of some help: 3 dwarves at hospital for ever. 2 suffer from infections and broken parts, 1 from nothing else than "ability to stand lost". Crutches are available in the fortress, as anything else which could be needed.
Orkel2 (reporter)
2010-11-14 11:24

It is not only legs and arms - it seems any severed parts do this. I had a soldier with a severed nose go on without treatment and later die of an infection.

Really needs a fix.
Toady One (administrator)
2011-03-13 05:39

The current state now with fixes applied is that dwarves with one leg or a broken leg will use a crutch, and dwarves without legs or that can't use either leg but are otherwise treated and healthy will just move around slowly on the ground. There could be more for legless dwarves later, but it is out of bug territory now.

- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
2010-04-06 18:45 RusAnon New Issue
2010-04-06 23:17 Kataklistika Note Added: 0001688
2010-04-07 12:13 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0000730
2010-04-09 02:56 Vince Note Added: 0002285
2010-04-09 02:56 Vince Issue Monitored: Vince
2010-04-09 21:43 bloodystump Issue Monitored: bloodystump
2010-04-09 21:56 SirPenguin Note Added: 0002511
2010-05-06 16:13 Jiri Petru Note Added: 0006315
2010-05-06 16:14 Jiri Petru Note Edited: 0006315 View Revisions
2010-06-22 08:19 MaXMC Note Added: 0008949
2010-06-22 08:20 MaXMC Tag Attached: 0.31.08
2010-06-22 08:20 MaXMC Tag Attached: diagnosis
2010-06-22 08:20 MaXMC Tag Attached: wounds
2010-06-22 18:16 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0002437
2010-06-22 18:17 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0002373
2010-06-23 22:32 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0002453
2010-06-23 22:32 Footkerchief Relationship deleted parent of 0002453
2010-06-30 13:35 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0000459
2010-07-02 02:49 Briggs Note Added: 0009505
2010-07-02 08:33 toybasher Note Added: 0009519
2010-07-03 10:51 toybasher Note Added: 0009580
2010-07-07 14:20 Creidieki Note Added: 0009739
2010-07-26 11:03 Creidieki Issue Monitored: Creidieki
2010-07-29 06:10 JimboOmega Note Added: 0011241
2010-07-29 06:14 JimboOmega Note Edited: 0011241 View Revisions
2010-07-29 06:15 JimboOmega Note Edited: 0011241 View Revisions
2010-08-03 04:53 weaselboy246 Note Added: 0011434
2010-08-03 06:08 Logical2u Relationship added parent of 0002935
2010-08-03 09:43 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0000309
2010-08-03 09:43 Footkerchief Sticky Issue No => Yes
2010-08-04 10:48 albinocaveslug Note Added: 0011494
2010-08-04 11:57 Footkerchief Note Added: 0011499
2010-08-28 09:14 behbehr Note Added: 0012204
2010-08-28 09:15 behbehr Issue Monitored: behbehr
2010-09-20 05:12 Another Tag Attached: 0.31.13
2010-09-20 05:14 Another Issue Monitored: Another
2010-10-05 04:28 endrin Issue Monitored: endrin
2010-10-12 15:27 Dlarit Issue Monitored: Dlarit
2010-11-14 11:24 Orkel2 Note Added: 0013830
2010-11-21 12:31 Footkerchief Relationship added has duplicate 0003193
2010-12-10 06:06 wRAR Issue Monitored: wRAR
2011-02-16 14:28 jwest23 Issue Monitored: jwest23
2011-02-18 15:31 xrogaan Issue Monitored: xrogaan
2011-03-04 23:11 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0000094
2011-03-08 14:49 Another Tag Attached: 0.31.21
2011-03-13 05:39 Toady One Note Added: 0016199
2011-03-13 05:39 Toady One Status new => resolved
2011-03-13 05:39 Toady One Fixed in Version => 0.31.22
2011-03-13 05:39 Toady One Resolution open => fixed
2011-03-13 05:39 Toady One Assigned To => Toady One
2011-03-13 17:39 Footkerchief Relationship replaced related to 0000459
2011-03-13 17:40 Footkerchief Relationship replaced has duplicate 0002935
2011-03-13 17:41 Footkerchief Relationship replaced has duplicate 0000730
2011-03-13 17:42 Footkerchief Relationship replaced related to 0002437
2011-03-18 09:36 Another Issue End Monitor: Another
2011-04-07 10:11 wRAR Issue End Monitor: wRAR
2011-06-08 11:13 Dwarfu Relationship replaced parent of 0002373
2011-06-08 11:15 Dwarfu Relationship replaced has duplicate 0002373
2011-06-08 11:15 Dwarfu Issue Monitored: Khym Chanur
2011-06-08 11:15 Dwarfu Issue Monitored: JoRo
2011-06-08 11:15 Dwarfu Issue Monitored: Cespinarve
2011-06-08 11:15 Dwarfu Issue Monitored: Dr. Funkenstein
2011-06-08 11:15 Dwarfu Issue Monitored: wRAR
2011-06-08 11:15 Dwarfu Issue Monitored: hyperactiveChipmunk
2011-09-08 10:57 Charidan Issue Monitored: Charidan
2012-03-17 07:12 Dwarfu Sticky Issue Yes => No

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