0007433: Goblins climb out of pits - Dwarf Fortress Bug Tracker

(0026806)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-07-17 19:28
edited on: 2014-07-17 19:30

Are the smooth walls natural or constructed? Natural smooth walls are the only kind that isn't supposed to be climbable.

(0026807)
SteveTheRed (reporter)
2014-07-17 19:33

These were constructed smooth walls.

I would have thought that intentionally smoothed walls would be harder to scale than natural ones?

(0026808)
AseaHeru (reporter)
2014-07-17 19:35

No, the list is rough, built, smoothed.

(0026812)
SteveTheRed (reporter)
2014-07-17 19:44

Ah - I assumed that by "constructed" you meant using the designate for smoothing command. These were created by smoothing natural stone, not by building walls, if that's the difference there (I was wondering where would one get "natural" smoothed walls).

(0026816)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-07-17 20:00

Here's the relevant devlog: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_2013.html#2013-08-04 [^]
"I also went back and did a few climbing issues still on the table -- there is a climbing skill now, and things like constructed block walls are harder to climb than constructed rough walls (smoothed natural walls can't be climbed at all, at least while we are still dealing with tool-less people)."

So yeah, if they're climbing smooth natural walls, that's a bug. Please upload a save that demonstrates the problem to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and post the link here.

(0026838)
Amena Ralikema (reporter)
2014-07-17 23:15

About "one of the mainstays of my fortress defense":

"01/18/2014 Toady One I mentioned in the last FotF reply that non-player climbing and jumping were still open questions and that I'd have to try them out before I knew how much we'd have this time around. That was today's project, and it looks we'll be having them both. This includes dwarf mode, so you might have to rethink certain defensive decisions you've been making. (...)"

:) I'm dreaming of walls topped with spikes/glass/flint. I guess it's too much to hope for concertina wire.

On the bright side, climbers don't seem to be able to climb fortifications (they shows up as "Empty Space"), at least in the OTArena.

(0028740)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-08-10 11:05

Didn't get a save. Assuming the walls were not smooth natural walls.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2014-07-17 19:18	SteveTheRed	New Issue
2014-07-17 19:28	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0026806
2014-07-17 19:28	Footkerchief	Status	new => resolved
2014-07-17 19:28	Footkerchief	Resolution	open => no change required
2014-07-17 19:28	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2014-07-17 19:29	Footkerchief	Status	resolved => needs feedback
2014-07-17 19:29	Footkerchief	Resolution	no change required => reopened
2014-07-17 19:30	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0026806	View Revisions
2014-07-17 19:33	SteveTheRed	Note Added: 0026807
2014-07-17 19:33	SteveTheRed	Status	needs feedback => assigned
2014-07-17 19:35	AseaHeru	Note Added: 0026808
2014-07-17 19:44	SteveTheRed	Note Added: 0026812
2014-07-17 20:00	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0026816
2014-07-17 20:00	Footkerchief	Status	assigned => needs feedback
2014-07-17 23:15	Amena Ralikema	Note Added: 0026838
2014-08-10 11:05	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0028740
2014-08-10 11:05	Footkerchief	Status	needs feedback => resolved
2014-08-10 11:05	Footkerchief	Resolution	reopened => no change required

Notes
(0026806) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-07-17 19:28 edited on: 2014-07-17 19:30	Are the smooth walls natural or constructed? Natural smooth walls are the only kind that isn't supposed to be climbable.

(0026807) SteveTheRed (reporter) 2014-07-17 19:33	These were constructed smooth walls. I would have thought that intentionally smoothed walls would be harder to scale than natural ones?

(0026808) AseaHeru (reporter) 2014-07-17 19:35	No, the list is rough, built, smoothed.

(0026812) SteveTheRed (reporter) 2014-07-17 19:44	Ah - I assumed that by "constructed" you meant using the designate for smoothing command. These were created by smoothing natural stone, not by building walls, if that's the difference there (I was wondering where would one get "natural" smoothed walls).

(0026816) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-07-17 20:00	Here's the relevant devlog: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_2013.html#2013-08-04 [^] "I also went back and did a few climbing issues still on the table -- there is a climbing skill now, and things like constructed block walls are harder to climb than constructed rough walls (smoothed natural walls can't be climbed at all, at least while we are still dealing with tool-less people)." So yeah, if they're climbing smooth natural walls, that's a bug. Please upload a save that demonstrates the problem to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and post the link here.

(0026838) Amena Ralikema (reporter) 2014-07-17 23:15	About "one of the mainstays of my fortress defense": "01/18/2014 Toady One I mentioned in the last FotF reply that non-player climbing and jumping were still open questions and that I'd have to try them out before I knew how much we'd have this time around. That was today's project, and it looks we'll be having them both. This includes dwarf mode, so you might have to rethink certain defensive decisions you've been making. (...)" :) I'm dreaming of walls topped with spikes/glass/flint. I guess it's too much to hope for concertina wire. On the bright side, climbers don't seem to be able to climb fortifications (they shows up as "Empty Space"), at least in the OTArena.

(0028740) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-08-10 11:05	Didn't get a save. Assuming the walls were not smooth natural walls.

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