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IDProjectCategoryView StatusDate SubmittedLast Update
0008479Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Thoughts and Preferencespublic2014-10-26 21:282014-11-17 14:27
Reporterkicking jay 
Assigned ToToady One 
PlatformOSOS Version
Product Version 
Target VersionFixed in Version0.40.17 
Summary0008479: Keas produce far too many vengeful thoughts by flying overhead, sending entire fortress into a stressed-out state.
DescriptionEven small packs flying overhead and doing kea-ish stuff keep putting dwarves into combat mode over and over, making everybody end up like this: [^]
Steps To ReproduceHave keas. Have dwarves. Mix.
TagsSave Included
Attached Files

- Relationships
related to 0008542new Training causes massive amount of vengeful thoughts (not only to training dwarfs) 
related to 0008490resolvedToady One Migrants are sad about being separated from goblin-snatched relatives 
related to 0008539resolvedToady One Happy thoughts do not affect stress levels; Dwarves slowly spiral into depression 

-  Notes
kicking jay (reporter)
2014-10-26 21:31
edited on: 2014-10-26 21:33

Presumably, any hostile [ITEM_THIEF] flying wildlife can produce this, since they will continuously enter into the dwarves' sphere of awareness and flee, probably ending in tantrum spirals: currently, nearly every one of my dwarves is flashing red arrow and seriously freaked out, as in crying-on-the-shoulder-of-the-expedition-leader freaked out.

All in all, they shouldn't cause this much stress.

lethosor (manager)
2014-10-31 12:55

A save uploaded to [^] could make it easier for Toady to reproduce and fix this problem.
kicking jay (reporter)
2014-10-31 14:45

Here's the save: one of the marksdwarves should slip into depression after a few minutes. Be aware I'm playing with tweaked entity ethics and a few other modded raws, but I don't think I modified anything that would have bearing on the issue. I can upload a set of the changes to the raws if needed. [^]
Frogging101 (reporter)
2014-11-15 21:39 [^]

Here's my save. No modified raws.

You can check random dwarves and see that a lot of them have multiple vengeful thoughts. Also, my broker "has been under a great deal of stress in the long term", despite not (as far as I can tell) losing any family members and having thoughts that indicate he is otherwise almost completely happy.

There have been buzzards flying around (there might still be some around at the time of the save as well), which would further suggest it is indeed caused by thieving birds.

I don't know what happens after the point where I saved this; I'm afraid to continue because this game is going quite well and I don't want to start losing all my founding dwarves (and maybe the whole fort in the long run) to depression because of this bug.
ptb_ptb (reporter)
2014-11-16 10:45

For comparison, crushing dwarves under bridges is a lot less traumatic to their fellow fortress dwellers than cheese being stolen by a bird.
kicking jay (reporter)
2014-11-16 16:28

They don't even have to steal anything. They just have to be there.

- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
2014-10-26 21:28 kicking jay New Issue
2014-10-26 21:31 kicking jay Note Added: 0030749
2014-10-26 21:33 kicking jay Note Edited: 0030749 View Revisions
2014-10-26 21:33 kicking jay Note Edited: 0030749 View Revisions
2014-10-29 17:00 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0008490
2014-10-31 12:55 lethosor Note Added: 0030813
2014-10-31 12:55 lethosor Assigned To => lethosor
2014-10-31 12:55 lethosor Status new => acknowledged
2014-10-31 14:45 kicking jay Note Added: 0030815
2014-11-12 11:04 Footkerchief Status acknowledged => confirmed
2014-11-12 11:04 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0008542
2014-11-15 21:39 Frogging101 Note Added: 0031008
2014-11-16 10:35 Frogging101 Issue Monitored: Frogging101
2014-11-16 10:45 ptb_ptb Note Added: 0031014
2014-11-16 16:28 kicking jay Note Added: 0031017
2014-11-17 07:17 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0008539
2014-11-17 07:40 ralfp Issue Monitored: ralfp
2014-11-17 09:39 Frogging101 Tag Attached: Save Included
2014-11-17 14:27 Toady One Status confirmed => resolved
2014-11-17 14:27 Toady One Fixed in Version => Next Version
2014-11-17 14:27 Toady One Resolution open => fixed
2014-11-17 14:27 Toady One Assigned To lethosor => Toady One

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