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IDProjectCategoryView StatusDate SubmittedLast Update
0009221Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Itemspublic2015-12-04 16:312016-06-09 22:04
ReporterEwcongogamer 
Assigned ToDwarfu 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilitysometimes
StatusconfirmedResolutionopen 
PlatformPCOSWindowsOS Version10, 64 bit
Product Version0.42.01 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0009221: Visiting scholars leave with fortress books/scrolls/copies/codices
DescriptionWritten books (copies or codexes) are being taken by visiting scholars/scribes and fortress is losing value due to expensive traded books being "stolen"

Original Summary:
Visitors are thieves
Steps To Reproduce1. Have a Library created in Fortress mode with storage containers
2. Have written books/codex stored in Library
3. Have scholars visit and read in the Library
4. Confirm total number of books is reduce/check inventories as scholars/scribes leave
Additional InformationSaves:
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11432 [^] (0.42.01)
TagsNo tags attached.
Attached Files

- Relationships
has duplicate 0009602resolvedKnight Otu Guests visiting Library steal books, quires made in fortress 
has duplicate 0010310resolvedLoci Scholars 'Borrow' your books and scrolls 
related to 0009886new Departing Visitor Steals Musical Instrument 

-  Notes
(0033479)
spwndlove (reporter)
2015-12-05 19:35

I can confirm that I've seen this. I had one fort that got a good number of scholars (it might have been because I didn't have a tavern; after I opened a tavern the number of scholars dropped off sharply). I started noticing that books were missing after a while. I watched the next two scholars that came to my fort, and both walked off with 1 book each.
(0033486)
Aescula (reporter)
2015-12-05 22:08

I just watched two visiting scholars walk off with stuff. One with a quire, the other with a bound codex. I could not ask them to dump the items.
(0033490)
maqertas (reporter)
2015-12-06 03:08

I also can confirm this, although the stolen book was written by a scholar who was a guest as well.
(0033612)
Ewcongogamer (reporter)
2015-12-07 16:29

Still occurring in 42.02
(0033666)
Detros (manager)
2015-12-09 04:25

Ewcongogamer, if there was no major version change (0.34->0.40, 0.40->0.42) since last "occurrence check" or update log of last versions doesn't show something that seems like it could affect the reported issue, there is hardly any need to do "occurrence check"s with every new minor update of DF.

This report could rather use a save which would show some of those visitors leaving with items of the fort. If somebody can supply some such in recent versions, please upload it (zipped region folder) to http://dffd.bay12games.com/ [^] and post a link to it here. Thanks.
(0033676)
spwndlove (reporter)
2015-12-09 09:37
edited on: 2015-12-09 09:39

I caught a thief in the act! Here's the save file: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11432 [^]

Open in fort mode, but don't unpause because the thief is a few steps from the border. Find the visitor Momuz Dastotikud, Naturalist. When he steps off of the map, the scroll called "Victory By Technology" will be missing from my fort. I don't know if it's important, but "Victory By Technology" was written by a different travelling scholar, named Istra, in my fort (Istra didn't have it with him when he arrived, he used my materials to write it, and he left it behind when he left).

Here are some interesting data about before and after Momuz leaves.
BEFORE:
- My library already lists the book as missing! It lists written objects (incl. copies) as 7, but if you go to Stocks -> Tools, there are 8 scrolls.
- The artifacts menu still lists "Victory By Tech"
- If you select "Victory By Tech" under Stocks -> Tools and hit [z], it zooms to Momuz
- However, the scroll does not appear in his inventory when you "view unit"(??)

AFTER:
- The library still lists written objects as 7, as expected
- "Victory By Tech" is missing from the artifacts menu
- "Victory By Teceh" doesn't show up in Stocks -> Tools anymore

For what it's worth, in another save file I've seen visitors carry off books written by my dwarves (the scholar in this save file hasn't written anything yet, so I couldn't test it). In those cases, I verified that the book was in their inventory as they were leaving, unlike this scenario where the book isn't showing up in Momuz's inventory. I have a save from that other fort, but it's after the thieving scholars left.

(0033685)
spwndlove (reporter)
2015-12-09 12:55

One more quick note: I've kept playing that fortress from my earlier save. It's late autumn now and all of the works from my library are gone. I've been receiving a steady stream of scholar visitors, and although I haven't been keeping a close eye on them anymore, I can only conclude that they are the ones taking the books.
(0035096)
Dame de la Licorne (reporter)
2016-05-08 06:29
edited on: 2016-05-08 08:52

I have seen this in my fresh install of the newest DF version (0.42.06), a scholar just walked off with one of my traded codices (I'm now down to one of an initial four). I'm running it on Mac (OSX El Capitan).

My guess is maybe the visitor starts reading the codex, and forgets to drop it before leaving?

(0035113)
JustAnotherLurker (reporter)
2016-05-10 03:42

I believe this is intended behavior. After all, visiting scholars also will write books/scrolls/quires if you have the materials available in the library, and often leave these behind.

With just a single Scribe assigned in my (fairly large) library and the default 2 copies, I've accumulated a collection of over 70 written works despite "borrowing" by visitors. It only really takes one good farmer and presser/papermaker to keep the library coffers overflowing with pig tail quires to write on.

Mind, I also play with the latest version of the Fortress Defense mod, and the frequent sieges/ambushes combined with visitor hostility bug (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=9650 [^]) means that half of my visiting scholars end up in the volcano.
(0035388)
Bumber (reporter)
2016-06-09 22:04
edited on: 2016-06-09 22:06

I believe I've had a scholar bring a stolen book back later and put it in the bookshelf. (It feels like scholars are an endangered species in my world, with only one or two left in the wild due to world gen destruction of their habitats.) I just wish they'd only take copies.


- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
2015-12-04 16:31 Ewcongogamer New Issue
2015-12-05 19:35 spwndlove Note Added: 0033479
2015-12-05 22:08 Aescula Note Added: 0033486
2015-12-05 23:59 Talvieno Issue Monitored: Talvieno
2015-12-06 03:08 maqertas Note Added: 0033490
2015-12-06 12:54 Hedede Issue Monitored: Hedede
2015-12-07 16:29 Ewcongogamer Note Added: 0033612
2015-12-09 04:25 Detros Note Added: 0033666
2015-12-09 09:37 spwndlove Note Added: 0033676
2015-12-09 09:39 spwndlove Note Edited: 0033676 View Revisions
2015-12-09 12:55 spwndlove Note Added: 0033685
2015-12-16 15:57 Dwarfu Assigned To => Dwarfu
2015-12-16 15:57 Dwarfu Status new => confirmed
2015-12-27 08:46 lethosor Additional Information Updated View Revisions
2015-12-27 09:18 Huntthetroll Issue Monitored: Huntthetroll
2015-12-27 13:37 Dwarfu Summary Visitors are thieves => Visiting scholars leave with fortress books/scrolls/copies/codices
2015-12-27 13:37 Dwarfu Description Updated View Revisions
2016-01-14 21:50 Ewcongogamer Issue Monitored: Ewcongogamer
2016-02-29 01:37 Knight Otu Relationship added has duplicate 0009602
2016-05-08 06:29 Dame de la Licorne Note Added: 0035096
2016-05-08 06:30 Dame de la Licorne Issue Monitored: Dame de la Licorne
2016-05-08 08:52 Dame de la Licorne Note Edited: 0035096 View Revisions
2016-05-10 03:42 JustAnotherLurker Note Added: 0035113
2016-06-09 22:04 Bumber Note Added: 0035388
2016-06-09 22:05 Bumber Note Edited: 0035388 View Revisions
2016-06-09 22:05 Bumber Note Edited: 0035388 View Revisions
2016-06-09 22:06 Bumber Note Edited: 0035388 View Revisions
2016-06-21 06:35 Aescula Issue Monitored: Aescula
2016-07-11 00:04 Loci Relationship added related to 0009886
2017-10-19 16:14 Loci Relationship added has duplicate 0010310


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