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IDProjectCategoryView StatusDate SubmittedLast Update
0009322Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Justicepublic2015-12-12 11:402016-03-13 18:54
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PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityhave not tried
PlatformPCOSWindowsOS Version7
Product Version0.42.02 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0009322: Death from sudden brawl/loyalty cascade is not reported as a crime
DescriptionThis save has a furnace operator that's been killed in a brawl between 5-7 dwarves, the reason for the brawl is unknown since dwarves don't state the reason why they're charging other people. I do know though that nobody's bothered to report the crime to the captain of the guard. I'm not sure if the reason for this brawl is intended as a feature, (I doubt it) but I do know for sure that something like this should be reported as a crime. I'll be reverting to a previous save to see if it happens again.

Save: [^]
Additional InformationIf there's any issues regarding spontaneous loyalty cascades that are similar to what's happened here, please point me in that direction so I can contribute my save as well. I'm not convinced this is intended behavior, but I might be mistaken.
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- Relationships
related to 0009286new Fistfights don't count as crimes 
has duplicate 0009394resolvedDwarfu argument escelates into enraged no quarter dual 
has duplicate 0009622resolvedKnight Otu Brawl in fortress resulting in death does not result in criminal receiving justice 

-  Notes
Detros (manager)
2015-12-13 04:55

Sounds like a stronger version of general 0009286, "Fistfights don't count as crimes".
Jixijenga (reporter)
2015-12-13 12:44
edited on: 2015-12-13 12:46

Yeah, sounds like it. So far I haven't actually had any fistfights that I've noticed, but come to think of it I have seen weird behavior like animals attacking their own kind, I saw two goblins of the same faction (completely same faction) charge at each other out of the blue.

I didn't think anything of it at the time, but it does seem to be something that happens and thankfully there's no consequences for it. (otherwise a goblin siege would just burn itself out with the goblins and trolls killing themselves)

Seems to be related at least. This for sure is a big issue for me though, it would really bother me if there was a justice system going unused because of an annoying bug. (or series of bugs)

Jixijenga (reporter)
2016-01-03 12:02

I had a tantrum illicit punishment on the justice screen, but then that tantrum exploded into a complete war.

This bug is quickly making the game unplayable, I can't isolate troublemakers effectively without a functioning justice system.
Witty (reporter)
2016-02-13 15:32

Just had this happen to me in 42.06.

It seems that a bard got a little too drunk, and started a brawl with someone. I say brawl, but it doesn't seem the game is actually using the brawl conflict level. The citizens of the fort just see a faction digression (caused by the bard's "attack"), and resort to fully-fledged no quarter combat. It also seems that the citizens of the fort will just choose sides at random - resulting in the loyalty cascade. Certainly not intended.
Torsvik (reporter)
2016-02-14 11:27

I just had this problem and it might be related or a new bug, but a similar brawl began after a goblins seige was announced. All of the hostiles were visitors and as far as I could tell unrelated to eachother (visiting human bard and visiting marksdwarf in seperate inns). It may also be relevant tht I did an immediate Save/Load after the seige was announced so it's possible that the reload with hostlie attackers on screen is the source of the problem.
ANormalUsername (reporter)
2016-03-13 18:54

Can confirm this in .42.06

- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
2015-12-12 11:40 Jixijenga New Issue
2015-12-13 04:55 Detros Note Added: 0033827
2015-12-13 12:44 Jixijenga Note Added: 0033840
2015-12-13 12:46 Jixijenga Note Edited: 0033840 View Revisions
2015-12-14 13:48 bnrubin Issue Monitored: bnrubin
2015-12-14 18:46 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0009286
2015-12-16 15:49 Dwarfu Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected?
2015-12-22 16:17 Dwarfu Relationship added has duplicate 0009394
2016-01-03 12:02 Jixijenga Note Added: 0034292
2016-02-13 15:32 Witty Note Added: 0034659
2016-02-14 11:27 Torsvik Note Added: 0034662
2016-03-13 18:54 ANormalUsername Note Added: 0034842
2016-03-22 06:55 Knight Otu Relationship added has duplicate 0009622
2018-04-16 18:35 Huntthetroll Issue Monitored: Huntthetroll

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