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0002892Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Tradepublic2010-07-29 17:452014-07-11 06:56
Toady One 
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0002892: Different liaison every year
Liaisons are now being replaced when lost, which is great. However, it seems that there is a different liaison each year. It's never the same one for any of the different civs. That seems unintended.
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related to 0001102resolved Toady One Liaisons/diplomats not replaced 
parent of 0003089resolved Toady One Human caravan sending diplomat instead of merchant noble 
has duplicate 0002931resolved Dwarfu New (additional) liaison every year 
related to 0003035resolved Footkerchief Crash when meeting with Elf diplomat 
Issue History
2010-07-29 17:45cephaloNew Issue
2010-07-31 19:55cephaloNote Added: 0011344
2010-08-01 03:37HeinzyNote Added: 0011351
2010-08-01 10:24FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0001002
2010-08-01 10:24FootkerchiefRelationship deletedrelated to 0001002
2010-08-01 10:24FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0001102
2010-08-02 13:00FootkerchiefRelationship addedparent of 0002931
2010-08-15 16:37FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0003035
2010-08-22 18:42FootkerchiefRelationship addedparent of 0003089
2010-08-23 08:28QuietustNote Added: 0012045
2010-08-29 15:04QuietustNote Added: 0012235
2010-08-29 15:06QuietustNote Edited: 0012235bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0012235#r4760
2010-09-21 21:29QuietustNote Edited: 0012235bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0012235#r5000
2010-10-06 14:48vadiaNote Added: 0013226
2010-10-06 15:08smjjamesNote Added: 0013228
2010-10-06 21:59QuietustNote Added: 0013233
2010-10-06 22:00QuietustNote Edited: 0013233bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0013233#r5130
2010-10-07 21:53QuietustNote Added: 0013250
2010-10-07 21:59QuietustNote Edited: 0013250bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0013250#r5138
2010-10-17 20:27QuietustNote Added: 0013400
2010-10-17 20:46QuietustNote Edited: 0013400bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0013400#r5180
2014-05-24 20:13lethosorNote Added: 0024769
2014-05-24 20:14lethosorNote Edited: 0024769bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0024769#r9270
2014-05-24 20:14lethosorNote Edited: 0024769bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0024769#r9271
2014-05-24 20:16lethosorIssue Monitored: lethosor
2014-05-24 22:50FootkerchiefTag Attached: Fixed in 0.34.12?
2014-05-30 12:38DwarfuAssigned To => Dwarfu
2014-05-30 12:38DwarfuStatusnew => acknowledged
2014-07-07 22:23FootkerchiefTag RenamedFixed in 0.34.12? => Fixed in 0.40.01?
2014-07-11 00:17thvazNote Added: 0025699
2014-07-11 00:46thvazTag Attached: duplicate of a fixed bug
2014-07-11 06:56DwarfuTag Detached: Fixed in 0.40.01?
2014-07-11 06:56DwarfuTag Detached: duplicate of a fixed bug
2014-07-11 06:56FootkerchiefNote Added: 0025739
2014-07-11 06:56DwarfuStatusacknowledged => resolved
2014-07-11 06:56DwarfuFixed in Version => 0.40.01
2014-07-11 06:56DwarfuResolutionopen => fixed
2014-07-11 06:56DwarfuAssigned ToDwarfu => Toady One
2014-07-11 06:58DwarfuRelationship replacedhas duplicate 0002931

2010-07-31 19:55   
My fort is about 18 years old now. I wonder if all my liaisons were historical figures who were too old, and thus keep dying. Maybe I should make a backup, abandon, and then check the legends.
2010-08-01 03:37   
I've experienced the same but only with the elves. I might also add that they always greet me with the dwarven greeting (I'm your liason from the Mountainhome).
2010-08-23 08:28   
In Legends mode, it looks like the new liaison is getting appointed when the caravan arrives and subsequently removed from the position upon leaving the map.
2010-08-29 15:04   
(edited on: 2010-09-21 21:29)
Further experience in my current fortress seems to indicate that this is not limited to the Dwarven liaison. It also applies to Human law-givers (they'll visit once after you get your Baron, go through the usual "such a nice place you've carved out", then leave, never to be seen again), as well as invaders (a Goblin civilization sent its General after me, and after he fled he vanished from the civ list and prevented all future goblin sieges from riding giant olms since he was presumably the one who tamed them).

2010-10-06 14:48   
I got an engraved image of the replacement -- is this actually a bug or bizzare feature?
2010-10-06 15:08   
This might be a bizarre feature that is caused by an unintended bug. Its one of those things that are both a feature and a bug.
2010-10-06 21:59   
(edited on: 2010-10-06 22:00)
In a newly generated 0.31.14 fortress with a few raw tweaks (namely, adding a special Diplomat position to both the Human and Elven civilizations, mostly copy/pasted from the Dwarven diplomat position), appointment of a Baron has triggered the arrival of both elven and human diplomats (interestingly, the Humans did not send their Law-giver) in the same manner as back in 40d (Elven diplomat unannounced at the very beginning of Spring with "first contact" text, then the Human diplomat several days after the caravan arrived).

Curiously, both diplomats failed to show up in the Civ list until they appeared on the map, and (as per this bug) they both disappeared once they left. Only time will tell whether or not these diplomats get replaced next year.

2010-10-07 21:53   
(edited on: 2010-10-07 21:59)
It looks like positions responsible for diplomacy and nothing else do properly get replaced when they're made to visit - a replacement Elven diplomat arrived the following year, 1 week after the arrival of the caravan, and proposed a tree cutting quota, complete with the proper Elven diplomat greeting and farewell text. Presumably, the additional responsibilities assigned to the Human's Law-giver prevented a new one from being automatically appointed.

2010-10-17 20:27   
(edited on: 2010-10-17 20:46)
Part of this appears to have changed in version 0.31.16 - Law-givers are being replaced now. I loaded up one of my old 0.31.12 fortresses (where the Human civilization's Law-giver had visited once over a decade ago and then vanished forever), and a new Law-giver was appointed and arrived the very next summer.

2014-05-24 20:13   
(edited on: 2014-05-24 20:14)
According to http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/#2014-05-24 [^] , this is fixed in the next version.

2014-07-11 00:17   
This bug is a duplicate of http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=2931, [^] that was marked as fixed in 0.40.01.
2014-07-11 06:56   
thvaz: 0002931 seems to be about additional, rather than replacement, liaisons. They might have the same root cause, but the symptoms are different enough to warrant separate reports. If this one's fixed too though, let us know.