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IDProjectCategoryView StatusDate SubmittedLast Update
0000442Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Skills and Professionspublic2010-04-04 20:352015-12-20 21:36
ReporterShurhaian 
Assigned To 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityrandom
StatusnewResolutionopen 
PlatformOSOS Version
Product Version0.31.01 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0000442: Migrants arrive with inappropriate weapon skills
DescriptionThat migrants come onto the map with potentially higher and more varied military skills is a good thing. However, it's not uncommon to have lashers and pikedwarves, despite dwarves being unable to make these weapons. As there is no guarantee of being able to procure these through trade, being skilled in foreign weapons should at the least be rare.
Steps To ReproduceWait for migrants.
Check migrants' skills.
Eventually, one or more will arrive with weapons for which you cannot make the appropriate weapons as they are not part of dwarven civilization.
Additional Information
TagsIntentional/Expected?, Military
Relationships
has duplicate 0002300resolved Footkerchief Migrants with exotic skills 
related to 0008309new  Knife User skill only available to outsider adventurers, goblins, and kobolds 
Attached Files
Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2010-04-04 20:35ShurhaianNew Issue
2010-04-04 20:38QloosNote Added: 0000990
2010-04-04 20:39carpfishmantisTag Attached: Military
2010-04-04 20:47Draco18sNote Added: 0000992
2010-04-04 23:58FootkerchiefNote Added: 0001015
2010-04-04 23:59FootkerchiefNote Edited: 0001015bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0001015#r329
2010-04-05 00:06FootkerchiefIssue Monitored: Footkerchief
2010-04-05 06:23ShurhaianNote Added: 0001062
2010-04-26 17:04FootkerchiefTag Attached: Intentional?
2010-06-13 10:06FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0002300
2010-06-13 10:24Rafal99Note Added: 0008292
2010-06-13 10:24Rafal99Note Edited: 0008292bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0008292#r3139
2010-06-13 10:25Rafal99Issue Monitored: Rafal99
2010-07-12 12:03FootkerchiefTag RenamedIntentional? => Intentional/Expected?
2010-10-29 19:23myrrhlinNote Added: 0013558
2010-10-29 19:32myrrhlinIssue Monitored: myrrhlin
2010-10-30 17:04Matz05Note Added: 0013564
2010-10-31 07:17burlingkNote Added: 0013565
2010-10-31 07:18burlingkIssue Monitored: burlingk
2014-09-17 13:30FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0008309
2015-12-20 21:05HededeIssue Monitored: Hedede
2015-12-20 21:36Ogg the Blinky SockNote Added: 0034094

Notes
(0000990)
Qloos   
2010-04-04 20:38   
This is not a bug.
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?board=5.0 [^]
(0000992)
Draco18s   
2010-04-04 20:47   
Qloos, that link takes you to the main suggestions board. Which isn't anywhere close to indicating that this issue isn't a bug.
(0001015)
Footkerchief   
2010-04-04 23:58   
(edited on: 2010-04-04 23:59)
Even after talking to Toady about this, I was still unsure whether he considered it intended behavior or not, so I'll leave this open.
(0001062)
Shurhaian   
2010-04-05 06:23   
Maybe its intended severity should be set to "tweak" instead? If it's not a bug as such, it certainly is frustrating and counterintuitive behavior.
(0008292)
Rafal99   
2010-06-13 10:24   
Well lashers, knife users and bowdwarves seem ok to me, you can get these weapons from invaders or traders and use them.

But pikedwarves are worse. The only weapon which uses pike skill is the pike itself, which not only can't be produced by dwarves, by also can't be wielded by them at all. Which means pikedwarf skill is completely useless for a dwarf, and there is no way to train it in fortress mode so migrants shouldn't be able to have this skill either.
(0013558)
myrrhlin   
2010-10-29 19:23   
It's very bad for "foreign" range weapons: I've had immigrants with bow and blowpipe skills. Although i can acquire the weapons through combat or trade, I can't make or acquire ammunition at all. The foreign ranged weapons thus are nearly completely useless (a "bowdwarf" will bash enemies with his bow, but the hunter with the bow complains endlessly about no ammunition).
I'd be fine not being able to make the weapon as long as we could craft the ammunition...
(0013564)
Matz05   
2010-10-30 17:04   
Agreed myrrhlin.

Also, it MIGHT be a good compromise to filter out weapon groups that have no wieldable member. (lasher=OK, pikedwarf=NOT OK!)
(0013565)
burlingk   
2010-10-31 07:17   
I think you can buy arrows from elves. I never bought bows though, so I never had reason to buy arrows. ^^;
(0034094)
Ogg the Blinky Sock   
2015-12-20 21:36   
You can buy arrows from elves, and the havoc that they once caused with your ammunition supply seems to have been sorted out.