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ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update | |
0002796 | Dwarf Fortress | Dwarf Mode -- Jobs, Military | public | 2010-07-23 14:03 | 2014-01-26 08:36 | |
Reporter | Orkel2 | |||||
Assigned To | Toady One | |||||
Priority | high | Severity | major | Reproducibility | sometimes | |
Status | resolved | Resolution | fixed | |||
Platform | PC | OS | Windows | OS Version | 7 | |
Product Version | 0.31.11 | |||||
Target Version | Fixed in Version | 0.34.01 | ||||
Summary | 0002796: Soldiers often cannot follow their orders. | |||||
Description | Their job status becomes "Soldier (cannot follow order)" after being ordered to do something, for example to kill a creature (in which case he starts chasing it for a few seconds and then freezes in place with said job status) or train archery at the archery range (he just hangs around in the meeting area with the job status mentioned earlier). Screenshot: http://puu.sh/3Ru [^] Started for the first time in 31.11, this did not exist before this version. | |||||
Steps To Reproduce | Try ordering a squad of 3-5 soldiers to kill some wild animals outside, or try enabling the active/training status of a marksdwarf and wait for it to appear (in my case he shot a few dozen bolts before starting to get this problem) | |||||
Tags | bug, cannot, Fixed in 0.34.01?, follow, Military, order, Save Included, soldier | |||||
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(0010881) Rafal99 (reporter) 2010-07-23 15:21 |
I got this when I had less archery targets than markdwarves wanting to practice, and there was no unoccupied targets left. Do you have enough archery targets? |
(0010882) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-07-23 16:22 |
If Rafal99's explanation doesn't explain this, it would be helpful to upload a save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] |
(0010883) Orkel2 (reporter) 2010-07-23 16:38 |
The archery ranges work if the dwarf is set to inactive. It does it on active/training even with 1 dwarf and 1 target, so Rafal's explanation doesn't work. The killing creatures one happens often tho. I'm not sure if it's only in my save, so I'll wait for other people's similar reports first before going through the hassle of uploading. |
(0010884) Mason11987 (reporter) 2010-07-23 16:41 edited on: 2010-07-23 16:51 |
I've had the same effect, though I've never killed anything with my marksdwarves. They just trained for a while, I assume I did SOMETHING, now they are showing that. If we could learn under what condition this message is expected to come up, that might be helpful. Edit - Some follow up. I can set them to use a weapon rack while on "active/training" and it works just fine as far as I can tell tell. I'll try deconstructing/reconstructing my archery targets. Edit - Nothing. Deleting and recreating the squad.... Nothing. I have 9 people in my squad, 8 are set to train at any time, there are 10 recently constructed (correctly) archery targets, 8 of the 9 have that message in the [u]nits scree (the other is asleep). |
(0010890) duckthatquacks (reporter) 2010-07-23 19:48 edited on: 2010-07-24 06:02 |
I am having the same problem. Marksdwarves won't train; other soldiers will. I'll try to upload a save this weekend. Edit: It is possible that there are no quivers for my marksdwarves. I will look into it. |
(0010902) Dekar (reporter) 2010-07-24 00:32 edited on: 2010-07-24 00:33 |
I have a single axedwarf/militia commander with a single bed barrack. Sometimes he is training, sometimes he cant follow orders. |
(0011094) Jon-Ace (reporter) 2010-07-26 12:55 edited on: 2010-07-26 12:56 |
Getting this in 0.31.12 with a one squad, one speardwarf army. He occasionally goes into training, but sometimes goes to a meeting area with the bug described. Similar to Dekar's problem. |
(0011101) Rafal99 (reporter) 2010-07-26 13:21 edited on: 2010-07-26 13:22 |
For marksdwarves it seems to happen if you have no barracks for them to train. I had squad of 4 marksdwarves who "Cannot follow orders" despite lots of free archery targets. I made a barracks for them to train then immediately 2 of them went to demostration and 2 to Archery Practice. Seems related to the fact that Toady stopped non-archery training from happening in archery ranges. Dwarves probably want to cycle through different training types (shooting, demonstrations and individual drills) and get stuck once they finish archery and have no barracks to perform other training. |
(0011182) Orkel2 (reporter) 2010-07-28 06:40 |
My squad of 3 swordsdwarves and 1 hammerdwarf was ordered to station outside to defend against a goblin ambush. Instead they all got this bug, and didn't move at all, causing the goblins to slaughter the traders freely. They eventually stationed, but way, way too late. |
(0012458) Areyar (reporter) 2010-09-06 16:48 edited on: 2010-09-06 16:50 |
Maybe all archery targets need to be defined (set room size, fire from direction X, assign squad allowed for training) before they can be used? Previously I created the archery range from a single target and added additional targets as needed. These were then used by the squad, without the need to make rooms from each of them. I now noticed that my marksdwarves refused to train unless I defined all targets individually. I may be imagining this though. -- This would not explain the cannot follow orders status when ordered to attack or some other active order though. (Which I have also seen in 31.12) |
(0013405) Boldwyn (reporter) 2010-10-18 04:05 edited on: 2010-10-18 16:00 |
This happened for me in 31.16 for a melee unit (no marksdwarves). Save: the dwarves are in "cannot follow order" mode. They stayed some time like this doing nothing, no training, just stayed in their bedrooms near the invading giant and slowly move towards their target. http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3295 [^] |
(0013825) Orkel2 (reporter) 2010-11-14 08:43 |
Still does it in 31.17. |
(0014468) Altaree (reporter) 2010-12-09 07:30 |
This message needs to be more verbose. Include WHY the dwarf can't follow an order. |
(0017004) Orkel2 (reporter) 2011-04-03 07:33 |
Still in .25 |
(0017007) Footkerchief (manager) 2011-04-03 08:25 |
Reminder sent to: Orkel2 Please upload a save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] |
(0019402) Kipi (reporter) 2012-01-18 02:05 |
Here is a save which also shows the problem in .25 version: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5381 [^] I have 10 soldiers, in same squad. After I cancelled the station order I gave them to repel a goblin ambush all my soldiers are stuck with the "Cannot follow orders" status even though they don't have any orders active. I don't have barracks so they aren't trying to train. Being stuck in the status doesn't prevent the soldiers to go for a drink or meal, but after they have done so they return to "Cannot follow orders". Same applies to new orders, like station; they follow the order but after it's cancelled they return to "Cannot follow orders". The squad leader (who also happens to be Captain of the Guard) is alive and kicking, none of the soldiers have health problems. In fact, Captain is also affected by this bug. While the soldiers are stuck in the "Cannot follow orders" status they DO talk to friends, admire nice things and so on. This can be noted when looking at their thoughts, since there are lots of new thoughts after the slaughter. There is no pathing problems as far I can see and reloading the save doesn't fix the problem. Disbanding and reforming the squad solves the problem. |
(0019403) kwieland (reporter) 2012-01-18 08:31 |
@Kipi In your case, you have the squad assigned to the active/training schedule, and the schedule calls for them to train. Since you don't have a barracks defined (as you said), that is why you get the message. If you think about the situation, it makes sense for them not to be able to follow your orders. If you 1. build a barracks for them to train in and assign them to train there, the status changes to "go to drill" or 2. change the squad alert to inactive, then they all revert to civilians and go about their work. However, it becomes more difficult with archery. For some reason you never know if they don't have bolts (thus they can't practice), are missing an archery target, equipment, etc. I agree that the errors could contain a little more information. |
(0019405) Dwarfu (manager) 2012-01-18 11:18 edited on: 2012-01-18 11:19 |
These messages WILL be more informative in the next version: "I broke the "Cannot follow order" message for soldiers into about a dozen hopefully helpful messages." http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/index.html#2011-09-23 [^] |
(0024360) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-01-26 08:36 |
Please reopen this report or PM me on the forums if this bug is still present. |
Issue History | |||
Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
2010-07-23 14:03 | Orkel2 | New Issue | |
2010-07-23 14:15 | Orkel2 | Tag Attached: Military | |
2010-07-23 14:15 | Orkel2 | Tag Attached: bug | |
2010-07-23 14:15 | Orkel2 | Tag Attached: cannot | |
2010-07-23 14:15 | Orkel2 | Tag Attached: follow | |
2010-07-23 14:15 | Orkel2 | Tag Attached: order | |
2010-07-23 14:15 | Orkel2 | Tag Attached: soldier | |
2010-07-23 15:21 | Rafal99 | Note Added: 0010881 | |
2010-07-23 16:22 | Footkerchief | Note Added: 0010882 | |
2010-07-23 16:34 | Dawide | Issue Monitored: Dawide | |
2010-07-23 16:38 | Orkel2 | Note Added: 0010883 | |
2010-07-23 16:41 | Mason11987 | Note Added: 0010884 | |
2010-07-23 16:44 | Mason11987 | Note Edited: 0010884 | View Revisions |
2010-07-23 16:47 | Mason11987 | Note Edited: 0010884 | View Revisions |
2010-07-23 16:51 | Mason11987 | Note Edited: 0010884 | View Revisions |
2010-07-23 19:48 | duckthatquacks | Note Added: 0010890 | |
2010-07-23 20:39 | Hieronymous Alloy | Issue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy | |
2010-07-24 00:32 | Dekar | Note Added: 0010902 | |
2010-07-24 00:32 | Dekar | Issue Monitored: Dekar | |
2010-07-24 00:33 | Dekar | Note Edited: 0010902 | View Revisions |
2010-07-24 06:02 | duckthatquacks | Note Edited: 0010890 | View Revisions |
2010-07-24 08:34 | Footkerchief | Relationship added | child of 0000428 |
2010-07-24 21:45 | Khym Chanur | Issue Monitored: Khym Chanur | |
2010-07-26 12:55 | Jon-Ace | Note Added: 0011094 | |
2010-07-26 12:55 | Jon-Ace | Note Edited: 0011094 | View Revisions |
2010-07-26 12:56 | Jon-Ace | Note Edited: 0011094 | View Revisions |
2010-07-26 12:56 | Jon-Ace | Note Edited: 0011094 | View Revisions |
2010-07-26 13:21 | Rafal99 | Note Added: 0011101 | |
2010-07-26 13:22 | Rafal99 | Note Edited: 0011101 | View Revisions |
2010-07-28 06:40 | Orkel2 | Note Added: 0011182 | |
2010-09-06 08:43 | ChopperDave | Issue Monitored: ChopperDave | |
2010-09-06 08:43 | ChopperDave | Issue End Monitor: ChopperDave | |
2010-09-06 08:43 | ChopperDave | Issue Monitored: ChopperDave | |
2010-09-06 16:48 | Areyar | Note Added: 0012458 | |
2010-09-06 16:50 | Areyar | Note Edited: 0012458 | View Revisions |
2010-09-06 16:50 | Areyar | Issue Monitored: Areyar | |
2010-10-18 04:05 | Boldwyn | Note Added: 0013405 | |
2010-10-18 08:11 | Boldwyn | Issue Monitored: Boldwyn | |
2010-10-18 16:00 | Boldwyn | Note Edited: 0013405 | View Revisions |
2010-11-14 08:43 | Orkel2 | Note Added: 0013825 | |
2010-12-09 07:30 | Altaree | Note Added: 0014468 | |
2011-04-03 07:33 | Orkel2 | Note Added: 0017004 | |
2011-04-03 08:25 | Footkerchief | Note Added: 0017007 | |
2011-09-12 21:46 | Dwarfu | Relationship added | has duplicate 0004893 |
2012-01-18 02:05 | Kipi | Note Added: 0019402 | |
2012-01-18 02:06 | Kipi | Issue Monitored: Kipi | |
2012-01-18 08:17 | kwieland | Issue Monitored: kwieland | |
2012-01-18 08:31 | kwieland | Note Added: 0019403 | |
2012-01-18 11:18 | Dwarfu | Note Added: 0019405 | |
2012-01-18 11:19 | Dwarfu | Note Edited: 0019405 | View Revisions |
2012-01-18 11:20 | Dwarfu | Tag Attached: Save Included | |
2012-01-18 11:36 | Dwarfu | Tag Attached: Fixed in 0.31.26? | |
2012-02-14 05:12 | Footkerchief | Tag Renamed | Fixed in 0.31.26? => Fixed in 0.34.01? |
2014-01-26 08:36 | Footkerchief | Note Added: 0024360 | |
2014-01-26 08:36 | Footkerchief | Status | new => resolved |
2014-01-26 08:36 | Footkerchief | Fixed in Version | => 0.34.01 |
2014-01-26 08:36 | Footkerchief | Resolution | open => fixed |
2014-01-26 08:36 | Footkerchief | Assigned To | => Toady One |
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