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IDProjectCategoryView StatusDate SubmittedLast Update
0000442Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Skills and Professionspublic2010-04-04 20:352015-12-20 21:36
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PlatformOSOS Version
Product Version0.31.01 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0000442: Migrants arrive with inappropriate weapon skills
DescriptionThat migrants come onto the map with potentially higher and more varied military skills is a good thing. However, it's not uncommon to have lashers and pikedwarves, despite dwarves being unable to make these weapons. As there is no guarantee of being able to procure these through trade, being skilled in foreign weapons should at the least be rare.
Steps To ReproduceWait for migrants.
Check migrants' skills.
Eventually, one or more will arrive with weapons for which you cannot make the appropriate weapons as they are not part of dwarven civilization.
TagsIntentional/Expected?, Military
Attached Files

- Relationships
has duplicate 0002300resolvedFootkerchief Migrants with exotic skills 
related to 0008309new Knife User skill only available to outsider adventurers, goblins, and kobolds 

-  Notes
Qloos (reporter)
2010-04-04 20:38

This is not a bug. [^]
Draco18s (reporter)
2010-04-04 20:47

Qloos, that link takes you to the main suggestions board. Which isn't anywhere close to indicating that this issue isn't a bug.
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-04 23:58
edited on: 2010-04-04 23:59

Even after talking to Toady about this, I was still unsure whether he considered it intended behavior or not, so I'll leave this open.

Shurhaian (reporter)
2010-04-05 06:23

Maybe its intended severity should be set to "tweak" instead? If it's not a bug as such, it certainly is frustrating and counterintuitive behavior.
Rafal99 (reporter)
2010-06-13 10:24
edited on: 2010-06-13 10:24

Well lashers, knife users and bowdwarves seem ok to me, you can get these weapons from invaders or traders and use them.

But pikedwarves are worse. The only weapon which uses pike skill is the pike itself, which not only can't be produced by dwarves, by also can't be wielded by them at all. Which means pikedwarf skill is completely useless for a dwarf, and there is no way to train it in fortress mode so migrants shouldn't be able to have this skill either.

myrrhlin (reporter)
2010-10-29 19:23

It's very bad for "foreign" range weapons: I've had immigrants with bow and blowpipe skills. Although i can acquire the weapons through combat or trade, I can't make or acquire ammunition at all. The foreign ranged weapons thus are nearly completely useless (a "bowdwarf" will bash enemies with his bow, but the hunter with the bow complains endlessly about no ammunition).
I'd be fine not being able to make the weapon as long as we could craft the ammunition...
Matz05 (reporter)
2010-10-30 17:04

Agreed myrrhlin.

Also, it MIGHT be a good compromise to filter out weapon groups that have no wieldable member. (lasher=OK, pikedwarf=NOT OK!)
burlingk (reporter)
2010-10-31 07:17

I think you can buy arrows from elves. I never bought bows though, so I never had reason to buy arrows. ^^;
Ogg the Blinky Sock (reporter)
2015-12-20 21:36

You can buy arrows from elves, and the havoc that they once caused with your ammunition supply seems to have been sorted out.

- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
2010-04-04 20:35 Shurhaian New Issue
2010-04-04 20:38 Qloos Note Added: 0000990
2010-04-04 20:39 carpfishmantis Tag Attached: Military
2010-04-04 20:47 Draco18s Note Added: 0000992
2010-04-04 23:58 Footkerchief Note Added: 0001015
2010-04-04 23:59 Footkerchief Note Edited: 0001015 View Revisions
2010-04-05 00:06 Footkerchief Issue Monitored: Footkerchief
2010-04-05 06:23 Shurhaian Note Added: 0001062
2010-04-26 17:04 Footkerchief Tag Attached: Intentional?
2010-06-13 10:06 Footkerchief Relationship added has duplicate 0002300
2010-06-13 10:24 Rafal99 Note Added: 0008292
2010-06-13 10:24 Rafal99 Note Edited: 0008292 View Revisions
2010-06-13 10:25 Rafal99 Issue Monitored: Rafal99
2010-07-12 12:03 Footkerchief Tag Renamed Intentional? => Intentional/Expected?
2010-10-29 19:23 myrrhlin Note Added: 0013558
2010-10-29 19:32 myrrhlin Issue Monitored: myrrhlin
2010-10-30 17:04 Matz05 Note Added: 0013564
2010-10-31 07:17 burlingk Note Added: 0013565
2010-10-31 07:18 burlingk Issue Monitored: burlingk
2014-09-17 13:30 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0008309
2015-12-20 21:05 Hedede Issue Monitored: Hedede
2015-12-20 21:36 Ogg the Blinky Sock Note Added: 0034094

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