0000442: Migrants arrive with inappropriate weapon skills

(0000990)
Qloos (reporter)
2010-04-04 20:38

This is not a bug.
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?board=5.0 [^]

(0000992)
Draco18s (reporter)
2010-04-04 20:47

Qloos, that link takes you to the main suggestions board. Which isn't anywhere close to indicating that this issue isn't a bug.

(0001015)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-04 23:58
edited on: 2010-04-04 23:59

Even after talking to Toady about this, I was still unsure whether he considered it intended behavior or not, so I'll leave this open.

(0001062)
Shurhaian (reporter)
2010-04-05 06:23

Maybe its intended severity should be set to "tweak" instead? If it's not a bug as such, it certainly is frustrating and counterintuitive behavior.

(0008292)
Rafal99 (reporter)
2010-06-13 10:24
edited on: 2010-06-13 10:24

Well lashers, knife users and bowdwarves seem ok to me, you can get these weapons from invaders or traders and use them.

But pikedwarves are worse. The only weapon which uses pike skill is the pike itself, which not only can't be produced by dwarves, by also can't be wielded by them at all. Which means pikedwarf skill is completely useless for a dwarf, and there is no way to train it in fortress mode so migrants shouldn't be able to have this skill either.

(0013558)
myrrhlin (reporter)
2010-10-29 19:23

It's very bad for "foreign" range weapons: I've had immigrants with bow and blowpipe skills. Although i can acquire the weapons through combat or trade, I can't make or acquire ammunition at all. The foreign ranged weapons thus are nearly completely useless (a "bowdwarf" will bash enemies with his bow, but the hunter with the bow complains endlessly about no ammunition).
I'd be fine not being able to make the weapon as long as we could craft the ammunition...

(0013564)
Matz05 (reporter)
2010-10-30 17:04

Agreed myrrhlin.

Also, it MIGHT be a good compromise to filter out weapon groups that have no wieldable member. (lasher=OK, pikedwarf=NOT OK!)

(0013565)
burlingk (reporter)
2010-10-31 07:17

I think you can buy arrows from elves. I never bought bows though, so I never had reason to buy arrows. ^^;

(0034094)
Ogg the Blinky Sock (reporter)
2015-12-20 21:36

You can buy arrows from elves, and the havoc that they once caused with your ammunition supply seems to have been sorted out.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-04 20:35	Shurhaian	New Issue
2010-04-04 20:38	Qloos	Note Added: 0000990
2010-04-04 20:39	carpfishmantis	Tag Attached: Military
2010-04-04 20:47	Draco18s	Note Added: 0000992
2010-04-04 23:58	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0001015
2010-04-04 23:59	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0001015	View Revisions
2010-04-05 00:06	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Footkerchief
2010-04-05 06:23	Shurhaian	Note Added: 0001062
2010-04-26 17:04	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: Intentional?
2010-06-13 10:06	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002300
2010-06-13 10:24	Rafal99	Note Added: 0008292
2010-06-13 10:24	Rafal99	Note Edited: 0008292	View Revisions
2010-06-13 10:25	Rafal99	Issue Monitored: Rafal99
2010-07-12 12:03	Footkerchief	Tag Renamed	Intentional? => Intentional/Expected?
2010-10-29 19:23	myrrhlin	Note Added: 0013558
2010-10-29 19:32	myrrhlin	Issue Monitored: myrrhlin
2010-10-30 17:04	Matz05	Note Added: 0013564
2010-10-31 07:17	burlingk	Note Added: 0013565
2010-10-31 07:18	burlingk	Issue Monitored: burlingk
2014-09-17 13:30	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0008309
2015-12-20 21:05	Hedede	Issue Monitored: Hedede
2015-12-20 21:36	Ogg the Blinky Sock	Note Added: 0034094

Notes
(0000990) Qloos (reporter) 2010-04-04 20:38	This is not a bug. http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?board=5.0 [^]

(0000992) Draco18s (reporter) 2010-04-04 20:47	Qloos, that link takes you to the main suggestions board. Which isn't anywhere close to indicating that this issue isn't a bug.

(0001015) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-04 23:58 edited on: 2010-04-04 23:59	Even after talking to Toady about this, I was still unsure whether he considered it intended behavior or not, so I'll leave this open.

(0001062) Shurhaian (reporter) 2010-04-05 06:23	Maybe its intended severity should be set to "tweak" instead? If it's not a bug as such, it certainly is frustrating and counterintuitive behavior.

(0008292) Rafal99 (reporter) 2010-06-13 10:24 edited on: 2010-06-13 10:24	Well lashers, knife users and bowdwarves seem ok to me, you can get these weapons from invaders or traders and use them. But pikedwarves are worse. The only weapon which uses pike skill is the pike itself, which not only can't be produced by dwarves, by also can't be wielded by them at all. Which means pikedwarf skill is completely useless for a dwarf, and there is no way to train it in fortress mode so migrants shouldn't be able to have this skill either.

(0013558) myrrhlin (reporter) 2010-10-29 19:23	It's very bad for "foreign" range weapons: I've had immigrants with bow and blowpipe skills. Although i can acquire the weapons through combat or trade, I can't make or acquire ammunition at all. The foreign ranged weapons thus are nearly completely useless (a "bowdwarf" will bash enemies with his bow, but the hunter with the bow complains endlessly about no ammunition). I'd be fine not being able to make the weapon as long as we could craft the ammunition...

(0013564) Matz05 (reporter) 2010-10-30 17:04	Agreed myrrhlin. Also, it MIGHT be a good compromise to filter out weapon groups that have no wieldable member. (lasher=OK, pikedwarf=NOT OK!)

(0013565) burlingk (reporter) 2010-10-31 07:17	I think you can buy arrows from elves. I never bought bows though, so I never had reason to buy arrows. ^^;

(0034094) Ogg the Blinky Sock (reporter) 2015-12-20 21:36	You can buy arrows from elves, and the havoc that they once caused with your ammunition supply seems to have been sorted out.