0000234: Personality traits contradict mental attributes

(0000425)
lightman (reporter)
2010-04-02 21:58

a dwarf on embark:

"She has a lot of willpower ... lousy creativity"
"She is often nervous... She is incredibly creative"

Isn't that a direct contradiction? I have a screen capture if useful.

(0000446)
Ampersand (reporter)
2010-04-03 00:31

I've started checking through a lot of dwarfs in my games, and what I find is usually uncanny correlation between the two paragraphs. Keep in mind that they are not describing the same things, one covers intellectual skills, while the other covers personality. It is probably a matter of poor word choice for descriptors, rather than a lack of cross-checking.

(0000515)
Ookpik (reporter)
2010-04-03 07:53

I can see lightman's example as possibly making sense: the dwarf is incredibly creative (she writes a lot of emo poetry) but her creativity is lousy (the poetry sucks). But I just don't think my example can work no matter how you extend the definition of willpower. If willpower in EITHER sense governs how the dwarf reacts to certain in-game situations, I want to know whether she's strong or weak in that regard.

(0000674)
gisli (reporter)
2010-04-03 14:59

"He has... a large deficit of willpower."
"He possesses great willpower."

Same dwarf.

(0002610)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-10 11:09

More reports here: http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=52611.0 [^]

(0036554)
Hinaichigo (reporter)
2017-05-19 06:09

Is this bug still relevant after the personality rewrite?

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-02 21:50	Ookpik	New Issue
2010-04-02 21:57	lightman	Issue Monitored: lightman
2010-04-02 21:58	lightman	Note Added: 0000425
2010-04-03 00:31	Ampersand	Note Added: 0000446
2010-04-03 07:50	Ookpik	Tag Attached: skills
2010-04-03 07:50	Ookpik	Tag Detached: skills
2010-04-03 07:53	Ookpik	Note Added: 0000515
2010-04-03 14:59	gisli	Note Added: 0000674
2010-04-10 11:09	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0002610
2010-04-19 01:04	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0001322
2010-04-29 13:29	Footkerchief	Category	General => Dwarf Mode -- Interface, Unit Profiles
2012-04-06 08:02	Footkerchief	Summary	Personality traits directly contradict each other => Personality traits contradict mental attributes
2017-05-19 06:09	Hinaichigo	Note Added: 0036554

Notes
(0000425) lightman (reporter) 2010-04-02 21:58	a dwarf on embark: "She has a lot of willpower ... lousy creativity" "She is often nervous... She is incredibly creative" Isn't that a direct contradiction? I have a screen capture if useful.

(0000446) Ampersand (reporter) 2010-04-03 00:31	I've started checking through a lot of dwarfs in my games, and what I find is usually uncanny correlation between the two paragraphs. Keep in mind that they are not describing the same things, one covers intellectual skills, while the other covers personality. It is probably a matter of poor word choice for descriptors, rather than a lack of cross-checking.

(0000515) Ookpik (reporter) 2010-04-03 07:53	I can see lightman's example as possibly making sense: the dwarf is incredibly creative (she writes a lot of emo poetry) but her creativity is lousy (the poetry sucks). But I just don't think my example can work no matter how you extend the definition of willpower. If willpower in EITHER sense governs how the dwarf reacts to certain in-game situations, I want to know whether she's strong or weak in that regard.

(0000674) gisli (reporter) 2010-04-03 14:59	"He has... a large deficit of willpower." "He possesses great willpower." Same dwarf.

(0002610) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-10 11:09	More reports here: http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=52611.0 [^]

(0036554) Hinaichigo (reporter) 2017-05-19 06:09	Is this bug still relevant after the personality rewrite?