0007398: Local leaders will agree to join you in an insurrection to overthrow themselves

(0026673)
Talvieno (reporter)
2014-07-16 15:53

As of now, this is my new favorite bug of 40.xx.

(0026675)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-07-16 15:54

"Tell the lord or lady that you claim this side for yourself and your group."

Did this part bring up the site-naming dialog, or the "I've forgotten my bold pronouncement" thing?

(0026679)
Trif (reporter)
2014-07-16 16:06
edited on: 2014-07-16 16:06

It brings up the site-naming.

(0026680)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-07-16 16:10
edited on: 2014-07-16 16:10

If you succeeded in claiming the site before starting an insurrection, it sounds like you actually recruited them for an insurrection against yourself.

(0026683)
Trif (reporter)
2014-07-16 16:15
edited on: 2014-07-16 16:17

But after I declare my claim, I ask who the ruler is and they respond with "The group soandso rules placename. I am lady/lord. We are in the right in all matters." And then I ask them to join me in an insurrection against this group.

Edit: The claim doesn't succeed, I just declare it and immediately ask the ruler to join me.

(0026686)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-07-16 16:51
edited on: 2014-07-16 16:53

How are you determining if the first claim succeeds?

Perhaps declaring the claim to the lord/lady isn't actually transmitting the information that they're no longer in charge? What happens if, after making the claim, you report the incident of making a claim?

Is the first claim necessary to reproduce this behavior?

(0026695)
Trif (reporter)
2014-07-16 17:28

The claim succeeds once the previous ruler is outside of the keep while you are inside of it (which is very easy once the ruler is your companion). The game informs you with a pop-up telling you that you and your group are now in control of this site. You can also ask any NPC about the local ruler and they'll say that you rule this site.

Just declaring the claim doesn't mean that the ruler is deposed, it means that you plan to depose them. After you declare your claim, you can ask anyone and they'll tell you that the old ruler is still in charge. Reporting the incident doesn't seem to have an effect on that.

The first claim is necessary; as I said in the additional info, if you don't declare your claim, the ruler declines to join you.

One more thing that I just found out: if you talk to the ruler, claim the site, say goodbye, talk to the ruler again and then ask them to join your insurrection, they'll decline.
Claim and insurrection recruiting have to happen in the same conversation. You can talk about different topics in between, but saying goodbye somehow interrupts the behavior.

(0026698)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-07-16 17:32

Interesting, thanks for the detailed replies!

(0030406)
ptb_ptb (reporter)
2014-09-27 12:39

Still seeing this in 40.13

(0035286)
Trif (reporter)
2016-05-24 13:59

This was fixed! In 0.41.03, the ruler won't agree to join in the insurrection, they'll just give you a "I'm sorry. My duty is here."

(0035301)
Dwarfu (manager)
2016-05-25 15:20

Probably related to the fixes for 0009650. PM a manager on the forums if this needs to be reopened.

Notes
(0026673) Talvieno (reporter) 2014-07-16 15:53	As of now, this is my new favorite bug of 40.xx.

(0026675) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-07-16 15:54	"Tell the lord or lady that you claim this side for yourself and your group." Did this part bring up the site-naming dialog, or the "I've forgotten my bold pronouncement" thing?

(0026679) Trif (reporter) 2014-07-16 16:06 edited on: 2014-07-16 16:06	It brings up the site-naming.

(0026680) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-07-16 16:10 edited on: 2014-07-16 16:10	If you succeeded in claiming the site before starting an insurrection, it sounds like you actually recruited them for an insurrection against yourself.

(0026683) Trif (reporter) 2014-07-16 16:15 edited on: 2014-07-16 16:17	But after I declare my claim, I ask who the ruler is and they respond with "The group soandso rules placename. I am lady/lord. We are in the right in all matters." And then I ask them to join me in an insurrection against this group. Edit: The claim doesn't succeed, I just declare it and immediately ask the ruler to join me.

(0026686) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-07-16 16:51 edited on: 2014-07-16 16:53	How are you determining if the first claim succeeds? Perhaps declaring the claim to the lord/lady isn't actually transmitting the information that they're no longer in charge? What happens if, after making the claim, you report the incident of making a claim? Is the first claim necessary to reproduce this behavior?

(0026695) Trif (reporter) 2014-07-16 17:28	The claim succeeds once the previous ruler is outside of the keep while you are inside of it (which is very easy once the ruler is your companion). The game informs you with a pop-up telling you that you and your group are now in control of this site. You can also ask any NPC about the local ruler and they'll say that you rule this site. Just declaring the claim doesn't mean that the ruler is deposed, it means that you plan to depose them. After you declare your claim, you can ask anyone and they'll tell you that the old ruler is still in charge. Reporting the incident doesn't seem to have an effect on that. The first claim is necessary; as I said in the additional info, if you don't declare your claim, the ruler declines to join you. One more thing that I just found out: if you talk to the ruler, claim the site, say goodbye, talk to the ruler again and then ask them to join your insurrection, they'll decline. Claim and insurrection recruiting have to happen in the same conversation. You can talk about different topics in between, but saying goodbye somehow interrupts the behavior.

(0026698) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-07-16 17:32	Interesting, thanks for the detailed replies!

(0030406) ptb_ptb (reporter) 2014-09-27 12:39	Still seeing this in 40.13

(0035286) Trif (reporter) 2016-05-24 13:59	This was fixed! In 0.41.03, the ruler won't agree to join in the insurrection, they'll just give you a "I'm sorry. My duty is here."

(0035301) Dwarfu (manager) 2016-05-25 15:20	Probably related to the fixes for 0009650. PM a manager on the forums if this needs to be reopened.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2014-07-16 15:37	Trif	New Issue
2014-07-16 15:53	Talvieno	Note Added: 0026673
2014-07-16 15:54	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0026675
2014-07-16 15:54	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2014-07-16 15:54	Footkerchief	Status	new => needs feedback
2014-07-16 16:06	Trif	Note Added: 0026679
2014-07-16 16:06	Trif	Status	needs feedback => assigned
2014-07-16 16:06	Trif	Note Edited: 0026679	View Revisions
2014-07-16 16:10	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0026680
2014-07-16 16:10	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0026680	View Revisions
2014-07-16 16:15	Trif	Note Added: 0026683
2014-07-16 16:17	Trif	Note Edited: 0026683	View Revisions
2014-07-16 16:51	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0026686
2014-07-16 16:53	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0026686	View Revisions
2014-07-16 17:28	Trif	Note Added: 0026695
2014-07-16 17:32	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0026698
2014-09-27 12:39	ptb_ptb	Note Added: 0030406
2016-05-24 13:59	Trif	Note Added: 0035286
2016-05-25 15:20	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0035301
2016-05-25 15:20	Dwarfu	Status	assigned => resolved
2016-05-25 15:20	Dwarfu	Resolution	open => fixed

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